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  • mej16489
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 2714

    Originally posted by Califpatriot
    If you put an Apex trigger or zev slide in a stock gen 3 glock 19, it's no longer a not unsafe firearm. A gun store can no longer sell it.

    I applaud what Franklin Armory is doing here and with other products but I don't see any regulatory or statutory basis for the notion that adding a gas tube to a rostered CA7 is any different than adding a CA7 to a roster exempt single shot bolt action an FFL07 built for you. In each case, you modify a not unsafe handgun into an unsafe one. Only question is whether manufacturing or not under 32000
    A firearm on the CA Roster = 'not unsafe'. A dimensional compliant single-shot (regardless of who manufactures it) isn't 'not unsafe', its 'roster exempt'

    In the past, there wasn't really much distinction between the two, but the laws changed a couple years ago resulting in the possibility that modifying a 'roster exempt' gun into a semi-automatic could be interpreted as illegal manufacturing of an unsafe handgun.

    There aren't legal issues with modifying a 'not unsafe' handgun into non-roster status post-purchase.

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    • bajadan
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 862

      Franklin Armory - any plans to submit a CA7 for approval with an arm brace to help those with disabilities? thanks

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      • Mistadobalina_CA
        Member
        • Oct 2017
        • 173

        Originally posted by bajadan
        Franklin Armory - any plans to submit a CA7 for approval with an arm brace to help those with disabilities? thanks
        Why would they have to? You're free to replace the tube that comes with it with a 3rd party brace.

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        • marlin4622
          Junior Member
          • Oct 2013
          • 73



          Just picked mine up yesterday. Thanks Franklin. Quality product with endless possibilities for customization. Alquist Arms in Turlock CA sells them for $839.


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          • Mistadobalina_CA
            Member
            • Oct 2017
            • 173

            Originally posted by marlin4622


            Just picked mine up yesterday. Thanks Franklin. Quality product with endless possibilities for customization. Alquist Arms in Turlock CA sells them for $839.


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            Finally! A photo of one in the wild. Thank you!

            How's the trigger? Do you have any desire to upgrade it? Or are you the type that typically leaves your firearms stock?

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            • DA1L0
              Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 426

              Please poke some holes in my theory so i can go buy one lol, but this is my opinion. After doing a little research the answer to converting to semiauto is maybe. After reading the cadoj warning i realized they pointed us to the info PC 31900. If you put a standard upper on the ca7 i believe it violates 31900 because all rostered handguns post 2010 must have an lci, mag disconnect and microstamping. BUT if you had an upper that had those features i think we would be ok. Dont think it was a question of making it semiauto but making an unsafe semiauto lacking roster features. Someone please tell me im wrong

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              • waygeekierthanu
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Sep 2010
                • 2714

                If you buy a Glock 19 Gen 3 and take the slide off and put another slide on is it illegal because that other slide does not have an LCI or magazine disconnect? No it is not. I don't see any difference here

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                • DA1L0
                  Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 426

                  Gen 3 glocks are pre 2007 lci requirement. I think you run afoul if you do that to a post 2007 sig for example that required an lci and mag disconnect. I think the roster date is the key there.

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                  • Pardini
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2014
                    • 1204

                    Originally posted by waygeekierthanu
                    If you buy a Glock 19 Gen 3 and take the slide off and put another slide on is it illegal because that other slide does not have an LCI or magazine disconnect? No it is not. I don't see any difference here

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                    That's the corner Franklin is trying to force DOJ into.
                    Originally Posted by OCEquestrian View Post
                    Excellent! I am thinking about it as well and I only have 4 points and an unfortunate "match bump" up to expert classification where I am far less "competitive" with my peers there.

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                    • papadop88
                      Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 334

                      Originally posted by DA1L0
                      Gen 3 glocks are pre 2007 lci requirement. I think you run afoul if you do that to a post 2007 sig for example that required an lci and mag disconnect. I think the roster date is the key there.
                      You can legally replace any slide, cerakote, trigger or stippling to any pistol (roster or off-roster). Don't overthink it. You are not manufacturing anything if you do not have a manufacturer's license.

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                      • agent88
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 1738

                        $839....my lgs not that generous.... Anybody else getting these for less than retail?

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                        • LEAD LAUNCHER
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 1938

                          Originally posted by agent88
                          $839....my lgs not that generous.... Anybody else getting these for less than retail?

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                          • champu
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 1981

                            Originally posted by DA1L0
                            Please poke some holes in my theory so i can go buy one lol, but this is my opinion. After doing a little research the answer to converting to semiauto is maybe. After reading the cadoj warning i realized they pointed us to the info PC 31900. If you put a standard upper on the ca7 i believe it violates 31900 because all rostered handguns post 2010 must have an lci, mag disconnect and microstamping. BUT if you had an upper that had those features i think we would be ok. Dont think it was a question of making it semiauto but making an unsafe semiauto lacking roster features. Someone please tell me im wrong

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                            • xaznperswaesonx
                              Junior Member
                              • May 2018
                              • 18

                              Got mines at $940.

                              Am I the only only one who thinks the finish qaulity is subpar? To me, it scream budget build. Pulling the charging handle, it's not smooth at all. Trigger is standard with a heavier pull bc they used a heavier spring for drop safe reason per FA. The lower and upper is what appears as your standard off the shelf parts.

                              The box it came with is ummm .. quite large for it. You can fit 3 of this pistol in the box.


                              What you're really paying for is the work FA spent on getting it on the roster, which I'm perfectly fine and happy with.
                              Last edited by xaznperswaesonx; 01-18-2019, 9:09 AM.

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                              • waygeekierthanu
                                Vendor/Retailer
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 2714

                                Originally posted by xaznperswaesonx
                                Got mines at $940. Am I the only only one who thinks the finish qaulity is subpar? Pulling the charging handle, it's not smooth at all. Trigger is standard with a heavier pull bc they used a heavier spring for drop safe reason per FA. To me, it scream budget build. You're really paying for the work FA spent on getting it on the roster, which I'm perfectly fine with. The lower and upper is what appears as your standard off the shelf parts.

                                The box it came with is ummm .. quite large for it. You can fit 3 of this pistol in the box.
                                I put a little bit of CLP on mine and it's moved up nicely. As for the box it makes sense they sell rifles primarily this was just a Hail Mary to get another pistol on the roster. Overall I'm actually pretty happy with the builds I have here. Remember this isn't a LaRue

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                                We have 2011 single shot pistols available!

                                We have Atlas gun works single shot 2011 available! If it is on their website we can get it for you.

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