Bolt Action 1911

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

But the key is to get that off roster Wilson Combat one may want.

This doesn't solve that.

It simply allows you to produce and sell single shot 1911 that you as a new business couldn't otherwise sell in CA. Which can already be had with Springfield, Colt, Kimber, Wilson, Baer, Nighthawk, etc..............

Your right It's not a Wilson etc. But just a question what makes the Wilson et al so great? Advertising? The name on the outside? We decided to make a reasonably priced 1911 framed handgun that one could afford, that has quality parts and that complies with CA 's draconian laws. I already make race guns in the thousands of dollars, money is not the point of this exercise.

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

However, should the laws be challenged and defeated in court the business model changes.

Hopefully it's projects like this and the AR pistols that will cause those laws to be changed

[quote]How quickly many forget the ramp up in AR15 prices at the threat of change, and then it didn't happen, and prices fell through the floor. [quote]

Ok but as you can see at $699 we didn't set the bar all that high

If the list keeps getting shorter and shorter to the economic advantage of those few manufactures that decide to stay on eventually even Antitrust arguments are going to be made.

Maybe, but any change to the firearm excludes it from the list. If I have a vendor who can produce a hammer cheaper than me and increase my bottom line I'm going with him. If that gun is listed and I change that part, off the list it goes because of a change in the internal workings

[LowThudd]

Maybe, but any change to the firearm excludes it from the list. If I have a vendor who can produce a hammer cheaper than me and increase my bottom line I'm going with him. If that gun is listed and I change that part, off the list it goes because of a change in the internal workings

Yep, that is just what happened to S&W, Ruger and now it seems Kimber. Their parts supplier changed, and those guns that were on the roster were removed because the Manis didn't change to a new model with the new parts. It can happen to any company who uses vendors for various parts, and does not make EVERY component in house.

[lastinline]

High-five to Full Spectrum for working on this!
At my point in life I enjoy giving away precious firearms, so I am not in the market to buy any more.
I will however buy something like this, if only to cause a bit of distress to some statist bureaucrat, some gun-grabbing socialist, politician, or other government official who feels bothered that a citizen still can acquire one. That is the reason that I purchased an Arsenal Ak pistol last year, and part of me feels a bit giddy knowing that it bothers one of the above.
All of us as gun owners have a duty to resist the efforts of the legislatures in the name of freedom, and pistols such as this are but one avenue to send this message.

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

Yep, that is just what happened to S&W, Ruger and now it seems Kimber. Their parts supplier changed, and those guns that were on the roster were removed because the Manis didn't change to a new model with the new parts. It can happen to any company who uses vendors for various parts, and does not make EVERY component in house.

Right and sorry to say, no one makes all their own parts regardless of what they say. It's not viable, possible but not viable if you want to make a profit

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

High-five to Full Spectrum for working on this!
At my point in life I enjoy giving away precious firearms, so I am not in the market to buy any more.
I will however buy something like this, if only to cause a bit of distress to some statist bureaucrat, some gun-grabbing socialist, politician, or other government official who feels bothered that a citizen still can acquire one. That is the reason that I purchased an Arsenal Ak pistol last year, and part of me feels a bit giddy knowing that it bothers one of the above.
All of us as gun owners have a duty to resist the efforts of the legislatures in the name of freedom, and pistols such as this are but one avenue to send this message.

Thanks for the words of support. We my friend are cut from the same cloth if you make it into the shop do me a favor and say hi

[Mossy Man]

The text of the law says it has to be built as, not converted. Since this was never a semi auto it was not converted.

Your post said "device that converts" which is what confused me

[LowThudd]

Your post said "device that converts" which is what confused me

The device is patented, but he is the manufacturer of the firearms. If the gun was never a semi and was manufactured with the DEVICE, then he hasn't converted anything.

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

Your post said "device that converts" which is what confused me

Your right sorry as I said want I type makes sense in my brain. Let me try again. The device we have patented allows us to cerate a bolt action pistol from something that has the appearance of a semi auto, but was never a semi auto. Maybe I need more coffee....or is it less

[_TomT_]

Would be interested to see what you can do with an STI 2011 frame.

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

Well the future is bright for the FUCA project line is all I can say..........

[keenkeen]

Yep, that is just what happened to S&W, Ruger and now it seems Kimber. Their parts supplier changed, and those guns that were on the roster were removed because the Manis didn't change to a new model with the new parts. It can happen to any company who uses vendors for various parts, and does not make EVERY component in house.

1) There is no evidence that Kimber is going to stop selling in CA.

2) Just changing vendors or suppliers of a part would not cause a handgun to become "off roster" as long as the design/spec of the part did not change.

[LowThudd]

1) There is no evidence that Kimber is going to stop selling in CA.

2) Just changing vendors or suppliers of a part would not cause a handgun to become "off roster" as long as the design/spec of the part did not change.

That already has happened with Ruger and S&W. Why was the ON ROSTER M&P 45 taken off roster? There were a couple on. They were removed because CA decided the design had changed and S&W did not change the model number. Same thing with ALL Ruger semis like the 22/45. They changed parts and continued the same model number. CA took it off the roster. If you have different info please give it.

[cannon]

Mr Orange I'll see what I can explain here. We have patented a device that converts the standard 1911 into bolt action. This means that to load the pistol you have to manipulate the slide to load a cartridge. The firing sequence would look like this: Lock slide open, insert cartridge, release slide closing breech, fire pistol, slide will cycle and eject spent cartridge, slide closes on empty chamber. To fire a second cartridge requires repeating the sequence. Since the pistol has no capacity to self load by definition it is not a semi auto. The manual manipulation of the slide to load a single cartridge makes it then by that same definition a bolt action. While it may not look like a traditional bolt action it operates as such. Cosmetically it looks like a semi auto because A) those parts are readily available, B) in all honesty people buy a look.

Our website (which sucks by the way) is currently getting some new technogeeks to manage it since the old ones didn't exactly do the best of jobs. Following the release and development of the FUCA Project lines (yes there is more than one thing coming) on facebook at this stage will be the easiest.

Well done you!

[keenkeen]

That already has happened with Ruger and S&W. Why was the ON ROSTER M&P 45 taken off roster? There were a couple on. They were removed because CA decided the design had changed and S&W did not change the model number. Same thing with ALL Ruger semis like the 22/45. They changed parts and continued the same model number. CA took it off the roster. If you have different info please give it.

Of course a mfg can make a change that causes a gun to drop off the roster.

My points remain:

1) No valid info that Kimber is leaving CA exists.

2) A simple supplier source change does not cause a gun to no longer be on roster if the design of the part remains the same.

If you have differnt info please provide it.