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  • HardwoodRods
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 1093

    Bolt Action 1911

    Just saw on Facebook that Full Spectrum in Fresno has a bolt action 1911 prototype with production expected in a month. FUCA project!
    "A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, 1790

    "Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have war, let it begin here" Capt. John Parker, 19 April 1776, Lexington Green
  • #2
    MrOrange
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 2262

    hmmm... Under $700 sounds good, but the pic on FB don't look too bolt-actiony, and I didn't see anything about it on their web site. Any other info, like will they be selling the bolt action parts separately for home builders like the Limited 10 guys do with their break top?
    I meant, it is my opinion that...






    I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence
    I would advise violence. - M. Gandhi
    You're my kind of stupid. - M. Reynolds

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    • #3
      Full Spectrum Firearms
      Junior Member
      CGN Contributor
      • May 2015
      • 52

      Mr Orange I'll see what I can explain here. We have patented a device that converts the standard 1911 into bolt action. This means that to load the pistol you have to manipulate the slide to load a cartridge. The firing sequence would look like this: Lock slide open, insert cartridge, release slide closing breech, fire pistol, slide will cycle and eject spent cartridge, slide closes on empty chamber. To fire a second cartridge requires repeating the sequence. Since the pistol has no capacity to self load by definition it is not a semi auto. The manual manipulation of the slide to load a single cartridge makes it then by that same definition a bolt action. While it may not look like a traditional bolt action it operates as such. Cosmetically it looks like a semi auto because A) those parts are readily available, B) in all honesty people buy a look.

      Our website (which sucks by the way) is currently getting some new technogeeks to manage it since the old ones didn't exactly do the best of jobs. Following the release and development of the FUCA Project lines (yes there is more than one thing coming) on facebook at this stage will be the easiest.
      sigpic Makers of all things fine, CA Compliant AR15, AR10, AK47, Browning 1919, MP5 clone, and now the FUCA 1911, heck I might even have a MG42 laying around

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      • #4
        Full Spectrum Firearms
        Junior Member
        CGN Contributor
        • May 2015
        • 52

        FUCA 1911 prototype.jpg
        Here's a picture of the frame of prototype #1 before we coated it. Checking depth of the engraving. Not sure if we should make the model number more prominent....
        sigpic Makers of all things fine, CA Compliant AR15, AR10, AK47, Browning 1919, MP5 clone, and now the FUCA 1911, heck I might even have a MG42 laying around

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        • #5
          Mossy Man
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2011
          • 7641

          since it converts a semi auto to single shot, doesnt that mean that it has to stay single shot?

          I thought it had to be designed as a ss

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          • #6
            larkja
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2013
            • 1362

            Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

            I don't get it.

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            • #7
              Full Spectrum Firearms
              Junior Member
              CGN Contributor
              • May 2015
              • 52

              Originally posted by Mossy Man
              since it converts a semi auto to single shot, doesnt that mean that it has to stay single shot?

              I thought it had to be designed as a ss
              The text of the law says it has to be built as, not converted. Since this was never a semi auto it was not converted.
              sigpic Makers of all things fine, CA Compliant AR15, AR10, AK47, Browning 1919, MP5 clone, and now the FUCA 1911, heck I might even have a MG42 laying around

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              • #8
                ojisan
                Agent 86
                CGN Contributor
                • Apr 2008
                • 11769

                Originally posted by larkja
                Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

                I don't get it.
                No more conversions of semi-auto to single shot (SSE1) are allowed as of 1/1/15.

                The new SSE2 requires either a break-open or bolt action, that was never made as a semi-auto originally.

                Originally posted by Citadelgrad87
                I don't really care, I just like to argue.

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                • #9
                  HardwoodRods
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 1093

                  Originally posted by larkja
                  Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

                  I don't get it.
                  I bought one because it's my small way of flipping off the list and CA. Even though I have a limited amount of mechanical knowledge I think I can make a conversion to it and have a reasonably priced well made 1911. The fit and finish of mine seems well done. After I pickup I'll youtube what I've done, we'll see how it works and if I'm right
                  "A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, 1790

                  "Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have war, let it begin here" Capt. John Parker, 19 April 1776, Lexington Green

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                  • #10
                    MrOrange
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 2262

                    Thanks for explaining, Full Spectrum Firearms.

                    I've read some opinions from other members here saying that what you're doing constituted a bolt action, and while I wouldn't want to be the test case, I sure have to give kudos to those that do.




                    Sooo... F U CA?


                    Originally posted by Mossy Man
                    since it converts a semi auto to single shot, doesnt that mean that it has to stay single shot?

                    I thought it had to be designed as a ss
                    It's not a conversion if they build it from the git. It's only a conversion if you take a pistol that was manufactured as a semi and put the bolty-thingy on it. Like SSE1, once you buy the single-shot you can modify it anyway you want.


                    Originally posted by larkja
                    Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

                    I don't get it.
                    Cuz sooner rather than later there aren't going to be any semis on the roster at all.
                    I meant, it is my opinion that...






                    I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence
                    I would advise violence. - M. Gandhi
                    You're my kind of stupid. - M. Reynolds

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                    • #11
                      Full Spectrum Firearms
                      Junior Member
                      CGN Contributor
                      • May 2015
                      • 52

                      Well FUCA stands for Firearms Unlisted in CAlifornia, anything else would just be a happy coincidence.......
                      sigpic Makers of all things fine, CA Compliant AR15, AR10, AK47, Browning 1919, MP5 clone, and now the FUCA 1911, heck I might even have a MG42 laying around

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                      • #12
                        Full Spectrum Firearms
                        Junior Member
                        CGN Contributor
                        • May 2015
                        • 52

                        Originally posted by MrOrange
                        Thanks for explaining, Full Spectrum Firearms.

                        I've read some opinions from other members here saying that what you're doing constituted a bolt action, and while I wouldn't want to be the test case, I sure have to give kudos to those that do.
                        Your welcome, hope I explained it sometimes what I type doesn't make sense. I don't believe we will be a test case since we are in compliance with the written law and I have a letter from the AG that explains DOJ can only enforce laws not make interpret them.
                        sigpic Makers of all things fine, CA Compliant AR15, AR10, AK47, Browning 1919, MP5 clone, and now the FUCA 1911, heck I might even have a MG42 laying around

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                        • #13
                          LowThudd
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 3608

                          Cool deal! Especially considering Kimber stating they will not be selling in CA in the near future. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1117642

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                          • #14
                            Snoopy47
                            Veteran Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 3885

                            Originally posted by Full Spectrum Firearms
                            The text of the law says it has to be built as, not converted. Since this was never a semi auto it was not converted.
                            But the key is to get that off roster Wilson Combat one may want.

                            This doesn't solve that.

                            It simply allows you to produce and sell single shot 1911 that you as a new business couldn't otherwise sell in CA. Which can already be had with Springfield, Colt, Kimber, Wilson, Baer, Nighthawk, etc..............
                            Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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                            • #15
                              Snoopy47
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 3885

                              I understand the long term business opportunity.

                              However, should the laws be challenged and defeated in court the business model changes.

                              How quickly many forget the ramp up in AR15 prices at the threat of change, and then it didn't happen, and prices fell through the floor.

                              If the list keeps getting shorter and shorter to the economic advantage of those few manufactures that decide to stay on eventually even Antitrust arguments are going to be made.
                              Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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