Bolt Action 1911

[HardwoodRods]

Just saw on Facebook that Full Spectrum in Fresno has a bolt action 1911 prototype with production expected in a month. FUCA project!

[MrOrange]

hmmm... Under $700 sounds good, but the pic on FB don't look too bolt-actiony, and I didn't see anything about it on their web site. Any other info, like will they be selling the bolt action parts separately for home builders like the Limited 10 guys do with their break top?

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

Mr Orange I'll see what I can explain here. We have patented a device that converts the standard 1911 into bolt action. This means that to load the pistol you have to manipulate the slide to load a cartridge. The firing sequence would look like this: Lock slide open, insert cartridge, release slide closing breech, fire pistol, slide will cycle and eject spent cartridge, slide closes on empty chamber. To fire a second cartridge requires repeating the sequence. Since the pistol has no capacity to self load by definition it is not a semi auto. The manual manipulation of the slide to load a single cartridge makes it then by that same definition a bolt action. While it may not look like a traditional bolt action it operates as such. Cosmetically it looks like a semi auto because A) those parts are readily available, B) in all honesty people buy a look.

Our website (which sucks by the way) is currently getting some new technogeeks to manage it since the old ones didn't exactly do the best of jobs. Following the release and development of the FUCA Project lines (yes there is more than one thing coming) on facebook at this stage will be the easiest.

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

FUCA 1911 prototype.jpg
Here's a picture of the frame of prototype #1 before we coated it. Checking depth of the engraving. Not sure if we should make the model number more prominent....

[Mossy Man]

since it converts a semi auto to single shot, doesnt that mean that it has to stay single shot?

I thought it had to be designed as a ss

[larkja]

Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

I don't get it.

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

since it converts a semi auto to single shot, doesnt that mean that it has to stay single shot?

I thought it had to be designed as a ss

The text of the law says it has to be built as, not converted. Since this was never a semi auto it was not converted.

[ojisan]

Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

I don't get it.

No more conversions of semi-auto to single shot (SSE1) are allowed as of 1/1/15.

The new SSE2 requires either a break-open or bolt action, that was never made as a semi-auto originally.

[HardwoodRods]

Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

I don't get it.

I bought one because it's my small way of flipping off the list and CA. Even though I have a limited amount of mechanical knowledge I think I can make a conversion to it and have a reasonably priced well made 1911. The fit and finish of mine seems well done. After I pickup I'll youtube what I've done, we'll see how it works and if I'm right

[MrOrange]

Thanks for explaining, Full Spectrum Firearms.

I've read some opinions from other members here saying that what you're doing constituted a bolt action, and while I wouldn't want to be the test case, I sure have to give kudos to those that do.




Sooo... F U CA?

since it converts a semi auto to single shot, doesnt that mean that it has to stay single shot?

I thought it had to be designed as a ss

It's not a conversion if they build it from the git. It's only a conversion if you take a pistol that was manufactured as a semi and put the bolty-thingy on it. Like SSE1, once you buy the single-shot you can modify it anyway you want.

Might sound a little ignorant, but why a bolt action pistol? A 1911 no less? Is there really that much of a market for your ROI?

I don't get it.

Cuz sooner rather than later there aren't going to be any semis on the roster at all.

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

Well FUCA stands for Firearms Unlisted in CAlifornia, anything else would just be a happy coincidence.......

[Full Spectrum Firearms]

Thanks for explaining, Full Spectrum Firearms.

I've read some opinions from other members here saying that what you're doing constituted a bolt action, and while I wouldn't want to be the test case, I sure have to give kudos to those that do.

Your welcome, hope I explained it sometimes what I type doesn't make sense. I don't believe we will be a test case since we are in compliance with the written law and I have a letter from the AG that explains DOJ can only enforce laws not make interpret them.

[LowThudd]

Cool deal! Especially considering Kimber stating they will not be selling in CA in the near future. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1117642

[Snoopy47]

The text of the law says it has to be built as, not converted. Since this was never a semi auto it was not converted.

But the key is to get that off roster Wilson Combat one may want.

This doesn't solve that.

It simply allows you to produce and sell single shot 1911 that you as a new business couldn't otherwise sell in CA. Which can already be had with Springfield, Colt, Kimber, Wilson, Baer, Nighthawk, etc..............

[Snoopy47]

I understand the long term business opportunity.

However, should the laws be challenged and defeated in court the business model changes.

How quickly many forget the ramp up in AR15 prices at the threat of change, and then it didn't happen, and prices fell through the floor.

If the list keeps getting shorter and shorter to the economic advantage of those few manufactures that decide to stay on eventually even Antitrust arguments are going to be made.