San Joaquin

[DRAB_81]

Until the Sheriffs are insulated from the political leverage implications of issuing CC licenses they simply aren't going to stick their necks out. Imagine if the Sheriff issues a CCW to someone who, although legal, goes out and does something stupid. The press and or his opponent gets wind of it and proceeds to shout to the rooftops "look who the Sheriff gave a concealed weapons permit to!" "I would NEVER do that!!"... The decision to issue or has to be taken from the Sheriff and he must be forced to issue to anyone who meets the basic criteria so he doesnt have to take the political risk involved in issuing to every Tom Dick and Harry...

Unless, like in Sacramento and Stanislaus Counties, a NEW Sheriff is elected while promising to issue LTC's to pretty much anyone that can legally own a handgun...

Yes, I'm sure there would be "political" consequences IF an LTC'er made a mistake. However, there will also most likely be political consequences if a denied applicant/applicant's family were to be killed or injured, as a result of being denied that "license" to protect themselves.

Isn't it awesome to be completely surrounded by virtual shall issue counties? The leaders of our little anti-LTC island are so much smarter than everyone else...


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[Falstaff]

I'm hearing that we might see the requested public records within the next 15-30 days.

-Brandon

The Stockton city manager (Bob Dice) was just issued his CHL, wonder what his good cause statement was... (police harassment?? LOL )

(rumor has it he got it fastracked and received his in record time...) SInce good cause statements are supposed to be public record, how could a citizen go about getting that info released?

[HowardW56]

The Stockton city manager (Bob Dice) was just issued his CHL, wonder what his good cause statement was... (police harassment?? LOL )

(rumor has it he got it fastracked and received his in record time...) SInce good cause statements are supposed to be public record, how could a citizen go about getting that info released?

City Manager.... I'm sure it took 2 - 3 HOURS!

[Window_Seat]

The Stockton city manager (Bob Dice) was just issued his CHL, wonder what his good cause statement was... (police harassment?? LOL )

(rumor has it he got it fastracked and received his in record time...) SInce good cause statements are supposed to be public record, how could a citizen go about getting that info released?

Hmmmmm... I sure do enjoy saying things like "be careful what you wish for"...

Erik.

[wilit]

Until the Sheriffs are insulated from the political leverage implications of issuing CC licenses they simply aren't going to stick their necks out. Imagine if the Sheriff issues a CCW to someone who, although legal, goes out and does something stupid. The press and or his opponent gets wind of it and proceeds to shout to the rooftops "look who the Sheriff gave a concealed weapons permit to!" "I would NEVER do that!!"... The decision to issue or has to be taken from the Sheriff and he must be forced to issue to anyone who meets the basic criteria so he doesnt have to take the political risk involved in issuing to every Tom Dick and Harry...

Obviously, that is how politics works, but really, it's no different than if the DMV issues a license to some 80 year old person and they run down a bunch of school kids. Neither the DMV or the Sheriff are responsible for the actions of those individuals. Sadly, when firearms are involved, people throw all logic out the window.

[greasemonkey]

Saw the San Joaquin Co. Sheriff in the Almond Blossom Parade today; I wish I would've had a CGF 'year in review' letter or tri-fold to hand him

[Falstaff]

Hmmmmm... I sure do enjoy saying things like "be careful what you wish for"...

Erik.

I'm not quite following you there, can you elaborate?

I just wonder if he put in his good cause statement anything about Stockton PD's union/POA buying the house next door to him.... When they did it, he screamed loudly that it was intimidation by the police union (whose salaries he was subsequently instrumental in slashing by 30%...)

Next he closed Stockton PD's North station and the wonderful citizens of Stockton have begun stripping the building!!! I s*** you not, but you won't read about this in the paper!, the police closed their fairly large north PD and it was promptly burglarized! The first thing they got was a giant commercial air compressor for the motor pool that was bolted down to the concrete-pffft GONE!

[Heatseeker]

Looks like a bunch a regular joe's got ccw's . . . . . .

Not this regular Joe...

I have given up all hope of being granted a LTC until Sheriff Moore receives a serious legal smackdown.

Or, maybe I can come into some money and contribute serious $$$ to his reelection campaign. That seems to work for some...

[harbinger007]

I s*** you not, but you won't read about this in the paper!, the police closed their fairly large north PD and it was promptly burglarized! The first thing they got was a giant commercial air compressor for the motor pool that was bolted down to the concrete-pffft GONE!

OT, I realize, but I've also been surprised that I haven't heard it brought out that Bob Deis was fired (contract terminated) in Sonoma County because of the poor job he was doing. He was pretty much hated by the vast majority of employees there so I suspect he doesn't find much love among Stockton employees either.

[wildhawker]

Let me go on the record as having the opinion that Sheriff Moore will not issue to all non-prohibited persons (e.g. self-defense as sufficient good cause) until [at least] the Ninth Circuit holds such to be required under Constitutional analysis. I do believe that San Joaquin County issuance can be improved [to some degree or another] using other avenues in the meantime.

-Brandon

[Sunday]

Cause I want to conceal carry?

[Sunday]

OT, I realize, but I've also been surprised that I haven't heard it brought out that Bob Deis was fired (contract terminated) in Sonoma County because of the poor job he was doing. He was pretty much hated by the vast majority of employees there so I suspect he doesn't find much love among Stockton employees either.

Is DEIS the new Stockton Sheriff? Amazing how the government people are moved around to different places with out thought or accountability on the quality of work they do!

[Falstaff]

Let me go on the record as having the opinion that Sheriff Moore will not issue to all non-prohibited persons (e.g. self-defense as sufficient good cause) until [at least] the Ninth Circuit holds such to be required under Constitutional analysis. I do believe that San Joaquin County issuance can be improved [to some degree or another] using other avenues in the meantime.

-Brandon

There'll be snowballs in hell before the 9th circle jerk of banana peals approves anything pro 2nd amendment. So what I think the takeaway is, UNless you're a 5 figure plus donater to moore or a wealthy rancher/Farmer (judging by the approved applications so far) or a globalist city manager/carpet bagger you ain't gettin' no CCW permits suckas...

[wildhawker]

There'll be snowballs in hell before the 9th circle jerk of banana peals approves anything pro 2nd amendment. So what Brandon's saying is, UNless you're a 5 figure plus donater to moore or a wealthy rancher/Farmer (judging by the approved applications so far) or a globalist city manager/carpet bagger you ain't gettin' no CCW permits suckas...

I don't agree with this nor is it what I meant by my previous comments.

-Brandon

[Falstaff]

edited to reflect the above

Of the 44 members of the 9th circle jerk, most were appointed by democrat presidents (25)
and 7 by Bush, The Younger whose support of the 2nd amendment can be described, at best as "lukewarm". Just playing the odds, I think it's extremely unlikely you'll see many of them warming up to any case that would promote shall issue in blue states.