San Joaquin

[Retired2013]

Before I applied I had a live scan done myself. Got it back in the mail in 2 days.

[DEPUTYBILL]

I just talked to a friend at San Joaquin S/O. He does the finger printing for CCW permits. His said this last Friday he printed 32 people for permits.
He said that they have been getting a lot of applications and have at least three people working on the paperwork. He also said DOJ has been taking 4-6 months to return the completed background checks. I have no reason to doubt him.

[sawman]

Got the call to pickup my permit .Applied end of may almost 8 months to the day from when I first turned in my ap. Going to go with Valley defense for class have heard good things.

[mojoe24]

Since it's applicable to the San Joaquin process, I'll make a quick plug here for a CCW training course experience (for those of you who are still waiting to take a course). I just completed my 2-day, 16 hour training with Valley Defense Consulting out of Modesto (the actual training took place in Oakdale). What an experience!! They are on SJSO's list of approved courses, and I could not be more happy with the curriculum and hands on training. Highly recommend their course, not only for satisfying the training requirements, but for learning how to SAFELY and efficiently operate your firearm with elevated confidence.

[Yreka]

Yeah he said something similar to me.. Retired officers coming in to help out IIRC

[Heatseeker]

It was my understanding, according to my interviewer, that some of the staff handling the applications were volunteers. I think he said a couple of the folks were retired detectives. I could be mistaken though.

[bst1208]

Is there any state law that prohibits them from accepting volunteers just until it's all caught up? How about asking for volunteers from the pool of citizens that have been granted CCWs themselves? They've already proven they're of good moral character, have undergone a Live Scan, and should be good to go. For these volunteers, there'd probably some benefits just knowing people inside. Or maybe the Sheriff can offer an extended 4-year license to them in exchange for the work. Just a thought

How many hours do you think it takes to process an application from start to end? 2-3 hours? At that rate, they are losing money handling the applications. They should be allowed to charge more.

[slipknot95758]

I'm sure it is at least 2 hours and it is more than just the one person doing it between people at the desk the person who typed up my permit the until interview and sheriff more I saw 5 people. But they still charge more than most other states do

[BigSig]

How many hours do you think it takes to process an application from start to end? 2-3 hours? At that rate, they are losing money handling the applications. They should be allowed to charge more.

[slipknot95758]

There are laws stating the maximum price they can charge, they can charge up to 100 they are at 95 I don't think an extra five dollars will go far. Also ember then can only charge 20 percent up from the rest is after you are approved, they are having to front money from their budget for this

[BigSig]

I think the FFL better is a bit of a zealot. We are fortunate that the Sheriff has changed course, lets not forget that. I'm now entering my third month and I would certainly like to have this checked off my to do list but at a time when crime is out of control and the Sherriff's office is underfunded, it doesn't make a lot of sense to pull a guy off the streets to issue CCW's. On the other hand, I would support raising the cost of getting a CCW so the program is self supporting

[Yreka]

He could easily deny for good moral charicter since you are pushing law enforcement and that you have a problem with authority..

Yeah that just sounds like a bad idea.. I honestly believe everyone down there is doing the best they can (not purposely dragging their feet), and throwing a ton of more resources at the issue isn't something in their control.

Maybe naive, but that is good enough for me to remain patient while they are working through the backlog.

[Yreka]

When I applied in Sept I was told to call back in 4-5 months. Some friends interviewed at the end of December. They were told to call back if they hadn't received a response by Jan or Feb. They were also told that the courts had instructed the sheriff's office to speed up the issuing process in order to stay inline with the law. They stated they were continuing to hire people to help that process. Obviously it will take some time to work thru the backlog to catch back up.

This is exactly what I was told as well.. (interview 12/1/14)

He said call back end of Feb if I haven't heard anything.. Meanwhile, 2 months later it looks like they are still 6-7 months behind I expect they will still be working on JUL/AUG applicants at the end of Feb

[slipknot95758]

He could easily deny for good moral charicter since you are pushing law enforcement and that you have a problem with authority. I looked at that law as a leg to stand on if I were denied, not an offensive move.

[bst1208]

Background checks are automatic after they receive the Live Scan request, all done by computers with no technician intervention within 48-72 hours. The only time they would manually process this is they find matching records with your fingerprints. So if you have a clean record, they already have your results if you have been waiting more than 3 months. http://oag.ca.gov/fingerprints

Having said that, I wouldn't rock the boat either and appear at the Sheriff's office asking for my approval. I'm just saying what's within California laws.

I too, am aware of the law but chose not to pursue it. Yes, they are in complete violation of the law, but quoting the penal code to the investigators and/or deputies in the office will not end well. Simply said, they will issue you a letter of denial likely on the grounds that they have not been able to complete your background investigation. Even if that story is ****, it doesn't matter. California is still a "may issue" state and Sheriff Moore doesn't have to sign off on any permit if he has even the slightest thought that it wouldn't be a good idea.

Again, that doesn't make it right, but its what we have to work with. Even though they are painfully slow, at least we are getting approvals.