San Bernardino

[ke6guj]

Dvrjon that's essentially what I had been coming to get from others I had been talking to, that covering the number isn't in and of itself a problem unless it's being done with or to assist with some sort of subversion. I think I caught the clerk on a bad day and just happened to provide an outlet for it. During this process I'll probably leave the grips at home and just use them for when I carry which was the original intent. Don't really care to test the waters with anyone else.

in my reading of 537e, I don't see where subversion is mentioned in the law, but in many cases officer discretion is going to ignore it. When the time comes to through the book at someone, that just becomes an additional item to tack on.

that said, I could see the clerk needing to tell you that you shouldn't cover the serial number because if they didn't inform you and it became an issue somehow later on, then you may try to point back to this encounter and say "I showed my gun to SBSO with the serial covered and they didn't tell me I couldn't do that, so I assumed it to be OK. If they had told me, I would have uncovered the serial number right then. I was 'entrapped' by SBSO's lack of action".

Just a hypothetical.

That said, in my research, S&W sells an M&P9c with the CT grips pre-installed, covering the number from the factory. Only rub is that since it comes with standard capacity 12-round magazines, they don't sell it directly in CA. Their suggestion to me when I was first looking at the 9c was to purchase the CA-approved 10-round package with the grips aftermarket.

that may be true and as I mentioned before, it might take a court ruling to figure out exactly where that legal line is at with regards to installed accessories covering a firearm's serial number, when it is often done for "performance" reasons and not to conceal the firearm's info from others.

[jaymz]

Just to add a bit - the clerk may not have been a sworn LEO, therefore making an arrest very unlikely anyway.

[evlblkrfl]

Going WAY off topic now.

[barracudamuscle]

Anyone who had an interview in April hear back yet? Had an interview late April and nothing. Just trying to gauge how long the background checks are taking.

[tylenol9999]

It took 121 days for me to get a call. Since you said late April then I do guess you have another month or two left before you get the range class call.

[barracudamuscle]

It took 121 days for me to get a call. Since you said late April then I do guess you have another month or two left before you get the range class call.

Thanks for your info Tylenol! I know the told me 90 days before setting up the range date but I heard rumors it was more like 120.

Just hope I'm able to get it all knocked out before having to head overseas later this year.

[Dvrjon]

in my reading of 537e, I don't see where subversion is mentioned in the law...

That is because you are citing excerpts of the code and are not paying attention to the subject matter if the Title under which 537e falls. P.C. 537e falls under Title 13 (Sections 441 through 593), which deal with crimes against property. Chapter 8 of Title 13 deals with false person action and cheats. This Chapter includes section 537e.
False person actions and cheats are subversion.
You don't (or don't want to) understand this, but it is the fatal flaw in your reasoning.

in my reading of 537e, ... but in many cases officer discretion is going to ignore it.

And again, you just don't want to believe. Section (c) doesn't allow discretion. It mandates the LEO confiscate the property.

Whatever, the OP understands this is not a relevant citation.

Best

JR

[Mark49]

CCW renewal cost

I'm going to the SBCSD dept early on monday to renew my CCW. I remember there are three money orders, how much and who are they made payable to?

Thanks

[Garyson1311]

Anyone else get interviewed last week? Mine was on July 2nd. (Got moved all the way up from mid November!)

[Ewcmr2]

It took 121 days for me to get a call. Since you said late April then I do guess you have another month or two left before you get the range class call.

+1, I was 124 days from livescan to range class.

Anyone in the June 15th class get a card yet?

[tylenol9999]

Not yet. Aren't we going to get a call to pick it up in person, or is it coming in the mail?

[bmir02]

Had my interview late March and I'm scheduled for the August 10 range class. Aprox. 140 days

[Ewcmr2]

Not yet. Aren't we going to get a call to pick it up in person, or is it coming in the mail?

Pretty sure they call when it is ready for pickup.

[evlblkrfl]

Is there really another $116 due when we pick up our permit ?? I was under the impression that they would be mailed and that we were done with forking out cash.

[tylenol9999]

We will find out pretty soon.