Sacramento

[gunhun]

Lancer, you are funny indeed. two of the 3 guns you want on your CCW permit are guns you do not want to holster. . In any case, you should expect to hear from Sac sheriff about 1 month, latest-2 months, after your feb interview, and that is when they will ask for training certificate and Livescan. I got the impression the review committee meets every month, so you should be part of the next committees review after your late feb interview. If that works as scheduled, then your previous training, which expires late april, should still be valid. If for some reason it takes more than two months, then your Truesdale training is obviously no longer valid. CSC offers the 16 hr class several weekends a month, and it seemed registering for it was easy, even a couple of weeks before the class itself. You can always wait til sometime april to decide to sign up for a CSC class.

Problem is if CSC decides not to renew lease and to close in the summer, then we really don't know when the range will close all services in order to start packing up. Apparently Cordova Parks is upping the cost of the new lease to five times higher than the current lease. It's sounds like the parks system/city just wants to make more money from the property. Good luck to ya. ....and you really dont' have to shoot well to pass the qual at CSC. Just hit paper and show safe technique, and you'll pass.

[Lancer1]

It's not that I don't want to holster them, perhaps I should invest in a gentler, kinder holster (leather?) so as not to scrape the sides of that Ed Brown like the cheap kydex one I used at the range. I love these things (does that sound funny?), and want to keep them in pristine condition, as much as possible. However, I do understand they are serious tools, intended for serious use and reliability. This is all good stuff, I appreciate the inputs. Mr. Truesdale called any markings on those expensive guns as "Love", meaning you are really using them as intended from their makers, and don't complain about service marks on them. The third gun is an HK VP9, which seems to have an indestructible finish on it. I'm not looking for an easy qualification, of course I should be 100% proficient with any weapon I intend to carry. I hear you, and thanks for the consideration of my post. I guess I can't have everything, there usually is some sacrifice, as with any worthwhile endeavor. You know, it just gets no better than this, information, and an exchange of knowledge / experience from many of you on this forum.

[Dvrjon]

What do you guys think?

I think you should use paragraphs.
I think you should edit.
I think you should follow the advice previously given on this.
I think you haven't followed through on any of the previous guidance.

I think my original guy, Joe Truesdale, would probably work with me, our conversation did touch on the subject.

Then talk to Joe.

I think short-term "holster marks" rub out. It takes a great deal of holster wear and use to wear away the finish on these guns.

On a larger issue, I think you should reconsider your choice of these guns.
-Full-size 1911s with extra ammo become a pain to carry concealed all day. (I did it for years, before realizing there are better alternatives). Try passive concealment...not training scenarios...in cargo shorts and tank top for a day. You can do it, but it isn't fun.
-If you are unwilling to put holster marks on these guns, you will be unable to practice your draw stroke. Being proficient with your weapon will do you no good if you can't rapidly draw and present it.
-Don't confuse "qualification" with "training". A number of qualification agencies conduct firing at indoor facilities without draw requirements. CSC isn't the only one.
-You are overly concerned about the physical "niceness" of the gun (and mags). If you are in a fight, and the mag fails, will you gingerly pull it and place it in a pocket so it doesn't get scratched? (I'm sure Joe didn't teach you that.)
-If you use one of these guns, they will become evidence and be confiscated. LEO will shoot it, dismantle it, examine it and store it in a cardboard box or on a hook somewhere. If criminal or civil litigation arises, it will be re-examined by the prosecution or tort attorney. You won't see the gun again for a very long time. If/when you get it back, you will wish it only had holster marks on it.

If I have to use/lose a reliable gun that saved my life, I'd rather lose a $500 Glock or S&W. And they are easier to conceal and carry.

[gunhun]

[rodi54]

D'OH!

TL/DR: Submitted wrong copy of DD214, Received and sent said form minutes after Appt was cancelled, tried to go to appt anyway, denied. 8/23/17 appt rescheduled to 1/24/18.

5/3/2017: Submitted Application Online. Appt scheduled for 8/23

8/14/2017: YOUR CCW APPLICATION HAS BEEN PENDED. YOU MUST SUBMIT A COPY OF YOUR DD214. PLEASE UPLOAD THIS TO YOUR PERMITIUM FILE. IF IT IS NOT RECEIVED AT LEAST 3 DAYS PRIOR TO YOUR APPOINTMENT, YOUR APPOINTMENT WILL BE CANCELED.

8/15/2017: Uploaded DD214

8/22/2017: THE PAGE YOU SCANNED OF YOUR DD-214 DOES NOT REFLECT THE TYPE OF DISCHARGE YOU RECEIVED. *PLEASE SCAN AND UPLOAD THE COPY THAT DOES. *IF YOU FAIL TO DO SO PRIOR TO 4:00 P.M. TODAY, YOUR APPOINTMENT WILL BE CANCELLED. *PLEASE SCAN AND UPLOAD THE REQUIRED DOCUMENT.
Scramble for correct copy of DD214. Nowhere to be found. Attach Honorable Discharge Certificate and Reserve Orders that indicate same. Also requested DD214 from ebenfits, old employer, college.

8/23/2017, 11:59AM: Thank you for submitting the documents regarding your service. *We need the official DD-214 stating the type of discharge. *Unfortunately your appointment has been canceled. *Please reschedule. *Thank you.

8/23/2017, 12:19PM: Your request for Official Military Personnel File (OMPF) Information has been processed and retrieved images or exception status is now available for viewing in DPRIS at the eBenefits portal. You can access your OMPF information by logging into the eBenefits Portal at*http://www.ebenefits.va.gov

8/23/2017, 12:20PM: Upload correct DD214, reply to email, call, leave message and email Amber asking if there is any way to keep Appt.

8/23/2017, 2:00PM: No reply, leave office for 3:00 PM Appt hoping I can keep it.

8/23/2017, 2:40PM: Arrive at Sheriff's Department. Explain situation and ask if I can keep Appt. Denied. Next available appointment: 1/24/2018

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Kept checking back for an earlier appointment and it paid off.

9/18/2017: Rescheduled Appt to 1/8/2018

1/8/2018: Completed Appt

1/10/2018: Approved to proceed with Live Scan. Uploaded new proof of residency docs per request

1/19/2018: Completed Live Scan ($130)

1/24/2018: Notified Live Scan was approved. Advised to schedule training within 6 mos. Training scheduled for 2/10 - 2/11 with besthandguntraining.com ($175 + $15 range fee)

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[rodi54]

Eagle Defense has Sac CCW Training on 2/24 - 2/25 for $120.

https://www.facebook.com/events/140482793328515/?ti=cl

I wanted to go sooner so I chose Best Handgun Training on 2/10-2/11 for $175

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[Dvrjon]

As noted some time ago, the solution to Lancer1's scheduling problem is to try to change the appointment.

Rodi54 has illustrated this can be done:

Kept checking back for an earlier appointment and it paid off.
9/18/2017: Rescheduled Appt to 1/8/2018

[Lancer1]

The Ed Brown weighs 27oz (empty).
The VP9, 25 oz.
The SA Pro, is a bit heavy - 36 oz.

I never thought of these as bling, but I suppose that's how this is coming across. Thanks for the thoughtful insight.

[Dvrjon]

The Ed Brown weighs 27oz (empty).
The VP9, 25 oz.
The SA Pro, is a bit heavy - 36 oz.

I never thought of these as bling, but I suppose that's how this is coming across. Thanks for the thoughtful insight.

Good paragraphs

Just for the record, I don't think the guns are "bling"; that's gunhun's characterization.

They are excellently designed tools of the trade. But, to do its job, every shovel has to get dirty.

(BTW: I think you're a bit light on the Cobra Carry weight.)

Best.

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[Dvrjon]

Now we just gotta get to work on making sure a decent Sheriff is getting the seat, or we are all screwed by July 1.

Cheers

You know Sheriff Jones is not retiring and is running again, right?

[Old_Bald_Guy]

Now we just gotta get to work on making sure a decent Sheriff is getting the seat, or we are all screwed by July 1.

[bgarbled]

You know Sheriff Jones is not retiring and is running again, right?

Yes, found that out today when I picked up my renewal.. good news. We just gotta make sure he (or whoever gets elected) is pro 2A, and we retain some semblance of our 2A rights.

[bgarbled]

@Old_Bald_Guy - Was posted based on my understanding of an earlier post a few weeks ago:

A quick caveat:



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In June, there will be an election for a new Sheriff. No one knows how many guns will be allowed in the new administration. If it does open up, your certs may no longer be valid.

[Dvrjon]

Clearly, I was fantasizing about my new-found state right to smoke dope that day. My bad.

On the plus side, the Sacto Bee is in full throat to find someone (anyone) to run against him. http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editor...196746294.html