Sacramento

[Dvrjon]

He said that would be fine but that I just needed to make sure that my training was never more than two years old. I questioned him about this to make sure I knew what he was saying....So, if I obtain training in July 2018 and my CCW expires in December 2020 but I did not take my refresher course until October 2020, I could not carry between July 2018 and October 2020.

At my first issuance appt last month I was told the exact same thing. It contradicts a bit on what I was told in this thread a couple of months ago. You must watch both dates, not just the permit.

...So take your refresher training before your old training expires. Then do your re-issuance appt before two years are up on it, or god forbid you will have to redo live scan.

I have no doubt that both of you think what you've posted is correct; however, please note the policy statement from the Sheriff's website.

Renewal is based on expiration of permit, not age of training certification.http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga.../SIIB/CCW.aspx

Step 1 - Schedule a "Renew Concealed Weapons Permit" appointment via our [Online Appointment System]. We allow permit holders to renew their permits 60 days prior to their permit’s expiration (but NO sooner!) and there is a 60-day grace period after your permit expires. You cannot carry your CCW once it expires, but you do not have to start the process over as a new applicant. If your permit expires 61 days or more you will have to apply again as a new applicant.

See the trend?

One thing that may be getting lost in translation is the different lengths of issuance for CCWs. They can be issued for 2, 3 or 4 years. Regarding training requirements for (standard, two-year) renewal, the Sheriff's website (same as above) has this:

CCW Permit Renewals (every 2 years) - Prior to renewal, complete at least a 4-hour legal firearms update refresher course. Qualify with each gun you want listed on your CCW Permit.

Pretty straight forward stuff.

Absolutely no inference that age of training certs voids the license.

Best.

[Sapperforward]

At my first issuance appt last month I was told the exact same thing. It contradicts a bit on what I was told in this thread a couple of months ago. You must watch both dates, not just the permit.

Let me add though it should only be a month (or a few) between when you took your 4 hour refresher and when you received your re-issuance from SSD. So take your refresher training before your old training expires. Then do your re-issuance appt before two years are up on it, or god forbid you will have to redo live scan.

I believe you are wrong or the person you talked to is wrong.

Your weapons qualification and training are good from the moment your card is issued until you renew. You are not required to re-qualify on a gun already listed on your permit unless you are renewing. You do not have to take your refresher class before your old training is two years old. You just have to take your refresher before renewal.

Some people take their training class 4-8 months before they get issued. They are not told to go retrain in 18 months and bring back a training certification 6 months before their ccw expires. They, like everyone else just get a refresher course and range qualification before their ccw expires.

Otherwise they would set your expiration date to two years after the day of your training date, rather than two years from the issuance date.

EDIT:

Their have been people who have reported that because they went in with a 20+ month old training certificate for a renewal and have been told to retrain. I have heard this from people maybe once or twice. I have also heard first hand accounts from folks who have used a 20+ month old training certificate and had no problems getting renewed.

[VL221]

Why do Live Scan take that long to process?

[skishooter]

This past week I went in for my third renewal (original CCW in 2010). I mentioned to the deputy that this is a busy time of year for me and wanted to make sure I understood the training requirements correctly, indicating that I would probably do my next refresher course in July 2018. He said that would be fine but that I just needed to make sure that my training was never more than two years old. I questioned him about this to make sure I knew what he was saying. He said that my training could not be more than two years old and still carry. So, if I obtain training in July 2018 and my CCW expires in December 2020 but I did not take my refresher course until October 2020, I could not carry between July 2018 and October 2020. I see nothing of any such requirement in PC 26165 or the DOJ application. I don't believe I've run into such a situation because of the timing of my past training classes but want to make sure I am out of compliance with some requirement I'm unaware of. Thanks.

At my first issuance appt last month I was told the exact same thing. It contradicts a bit on what I was told in this thread a couple of months ago. You must watch both dates, not just the permit.

Let me add though it should only be a month (or a few) between when you took your 4 hour refresher and when you received your re-issuance from SSD. So take your refresher training before your old training expires. Then do your re-issuance appt before two years are up on it, or god forbid you will have to redo live scan.

[mike415stone]

Sacramento county renewal is completed, good for another 2 years

[KZAP]

On the license it states that and I quote "If contacted by law enforcement and carrying a concealed weapon, you must advise the officer of the presence of a firearm either on your person or otherwise present."

[Desertdoc]

^^^^Good point!

[Dvrjon]

http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga...cw_process.pdf

Over the past 4 years we have discussed the difference between the language in the policy and the language crafted on the license. The Cliff Notes takeaways are:
1. The license stipulation is the document "in the field".
2. The license stipulation is the minimum requirement.
3. Sac Sheriff CCW staff have consistently advised following the language on the license.

[Desertdoc]

Question, do you have to identify yourself as a CCW license holder if you are contacted by a LOE and you are NOT arms at that moment?

Just to point this out:

Restrictions Applicable to All Sacramento Sheriff’s Department Permit Holders (Permit invalid if violated)

• While exercising the permit and carrying a weapon, no alcohol consumption is permitted.

• No permitted weapon is allowed where weapons are prohibited by law.

• No permitted weapon is allowed at locations where a sign is posted prohibiting
weapons.

• The Sheriff may impose additional restrictions.

• During any law enforcement contact, you are required to disclose your status as a CCW permit holder and you must disclose whether or not you are carrying a weapon on your person or in your vehicle.

http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Organization/SIIB/documents/ccw_process.pdf

[harbinger007]

This past week I went in for my third renewal (original CCW in 2010). I mentioned to the deputy that this is a busy time of year for me and wanted to make sure I understood the training requirements correctly, indicating that I would probably do my next refresher course in July 2018. He said that would be fine but that I just needed to make sure that my training was never more than two years old. I questioned him about this to make sure I knew what he was saying. He said that my training could not be more than two years old and still carry. So, if I obtain training in July 2018 and my CCW expires in December 2020 but I did not take my refresher course until October 2020, I could not carry between July 2018 and October 2020. I see nothing of any such requirement in PC 26165 or the DOJ application. I don't believe I've run into such a situation because of the timing of my past training classes but want to make sure I am out of compliance with some requirement I'm unaware of. Thanks.

[KZAP]

You have your LTC.
It has words printed on it below your signature and next to your thumb print.
What do the words say?

Got it. Thanks

[KahrMan]

Congratulation. Insurance from whom?

The insurance is not required of course, but I got coverage from USCCA (usconcealedcarry.com). I figure 22 a month is a box of ammo and gives me "some" peace of mind. Also looked at the policies from the NRA and 2nd Call. They all look good to me.

[Dvrjon]

Question, do you have to identify yourself as a CCW license holder if you are contacted by a LOE LEO and you are NOT armsed at that moment?

You have your LTC.
It has words printed on it below your signature and next to your thumb print.
What do the words say?

[KZAP]

Similar timeline for me. Got issuance today, picked up insurance and gtg.

Congratulation. Insurance from whom?

[KZAP]

Question, do you have to identify yourself as a CCW license holder if you are contacted by a LOE and you are NOT arms at that moment?