Sacramento

[harbinger007]

Yeah, I was asked that question repeatively. Got the impression saying yes would be an automatic denial. Not a problem for me, clean & sober 25+ years.

I was just asked once. I just said "No. Do you have yours yet or do you recommend I get mine?" He said it stinks, etc. and think he had enough of that, LOL.

Okay, regarding my concerns about the supposed requirement he mentioned that our training never be more than 2 years old, I decided to email Amber about it. I got a call back this afternoon from another officer (one who happened to be working temporarily at the front counter when I went in and who recognized my family name). After some discussion he said he would have a talk with the officer that gave out this information to straighten that out.

However.... he also said that the department is implementing a new policy effective this coming January. The new policy will require that the training be within six months of issuance or renewal. No biggie unless you already took your training for a renewal more than six months out.

[Dvrjon]

My qualification class was at night. Only time I could do it. It's only 4 hours. At first I was thinking man shooting in the dark! What a challenge. In the end I'm glad it was at night on a dimly lit range. The reality of the situation is. Most defensive instances take place at night in the dark. So what better way to train?
It seems prudent to me to make the best of what I had to deal with.

You are confusing training with qualification.

[californiagal]

He also asked me if I had my marijuana card yet.

Yeah, I was asked that question repeatively. Got the impression saying yes would be an automatic denial. Not a problem for me, clean & sober 25+ years.

[Mr. Helio]

My qualification class was at night. Only time I could do it. It's only 4 hours. At first I was thinking man shooting in the dark! What a challenge. In the end I'm glad it was at night on a dimly lit range. The reality of the situation is. Most defensive instances take place at night in the dark. So what better way to train?
It seems prudent to me to make the best of what I had to deal with.

[Dvrjon]

I want to avoid doing my qualifications in hard driving rain like I did in mid-October, that's for sure.

As an "older guy", I separate training from qualification shoots. Training can take place in all kinds of conditions and circumstances. Qualification shoots happen at indoor ranges with a minimum of muss and fuss.

"Climate Control...It's a good thing."

[harbinger007]

I believe you have to do training before the permit expires. And the earliest you can schedule a renewel appointment is 60 days before expiration. So it makes sense to get it right before your appointment. When in doubt give them a call and proceed from there .....

That does not work well for me. My renewal comes up at a very busy time of year for me working 80+ hour weeks as it is. I believe it was around May or June in 2010 when I first applied and it just worked out that my issuance came at the end of a very busy time of year for me. Back in 2010 the policy was different but by the first renewal we were already told our training can be done right after our prior renewal. I will take my next training at a slower time of year for me. I want to avoid doing my qualifications in hard driving rain like I did in mid-October, that's for sure. It's simple, just do it when it's convenient anytime after the prior renewal. I've been carrying the same weapons for six years and don't plan to change.

My point was not that you misunderstood, but to show the deputy's position cannot be correct.

Best.

Okay, I misunderstood you. I was a bit surprised with this as there have been no issues with officers in prior renewals. He also asked me if I had my marijuana card yet. I'm a clean cut older guy, no thanks.

[Dvrjon]

I have no confusion over what the written policy is or what I was told. There was nothing lost in translation; I gave him a scenario of when I might do my next training and he said I would need to get training again within two years of that date. This deputy is stating something that is not in the policy or in the penal code. Everything is pretty straight forward until someone at the SSD tells you something that isn't right.

My point was not that you misunderstood, but to show the deputy's position cannot be correct.

Best.

[Mr. Helio]

Plus if you want to change any weapons listed on your permit. It's a good time to do it on your renewel. Since modification appointments are closed right now. Only downside is you have to wait to carry them until the new permit kicks in. Unless one is listed on the current valid permit.

[Mr. Helio]

I believe you have to do training before the permit expires. And the earliest you can schedule a renewel appointment is 60 days before expiration. So it makes sense to get it right before your appointment. When in doubt give them a call and proceed from there .....

[harbinger007]

I have no doubt that both of you think what you've posted is correct; however, please note the policy statement from the Sheriff's website.

Renewal is based on expiration of permit, not age of training certification.http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga.../SIIB/CCW.aspxSee the trend?

One thing that may be getting lost in translation is the different lengths of issuance for CCWs. They can be issued for 2, 3 or 4 years. Regarding training requirements for (standard, two-year) renewal, the Sheriff's website (same as above) has this: Pretty straight forward stuff.

Absolutely no inference that age of training certs voids the license.

Best.

I have no confusion over what the written policy is or what I was told. There was nothing lost in translation; I gave him a scenario of when I might do my next training and he said I would need to get training again within two years of that date. This deputy is stating something that is not in the policy or in the penal code. Everything is pretty straight forward until someone at the SSD tells you something that isn't right.

[Mr. Helio]

Renewed today. Went smoothly in and out less than 20 minutes.

[Dvrjon]

He said that would be fine but that I just needed to make sure that my training was never more than two years old. I questioned him about this to make sure I knew what he was saying....So, if I obtain training in July 2018 and my CCW expires in December 2020 but I did not take my refresher course until October 2020, I could not carry between July 2018 and October 2020.

At my first issuance appt last month I was told the exact same thing. It contradicts a bit on what I was told in this thread a couple of months ago. You must watch both dates, not just the permit.

...So take your refresher training before your old training expires. Then do your re-issuance appt before two years are up on it, or god forbid you will have to redo live scan.

I have no doubt that both of you think what you've posted is correct; however, please note the policy statement from the Sheriff's website.

Renewal is based on expiration of permit, not age of training certification.http://www.sacsheriff.com/Pages/Orga.../SIIB/CCW.aspx

Step 1 - Schedule a "Renew Concealed Weapons Permit" appointment via our [Online Appointment System]. We allow permit holders to renew their permits 60 days prior to their permit’s expiration (but NO sooner!) and there is a 60-day grace period after your permit expires. You cannot carry your CCW once it expires, but you do not have to start the process over as a new applicant. If your permit expires 61 days or more you will have to apply again as a new applicant.

See the trend?

One thing that may be getting lost in translation is the different lengths of issuance for CCWs. They can be issued for 2, 3 or 4 years. Regarding training requirements for (standard, two-year) renewal, the Sheriff's website (same as above) has this:

CCW Permit Renewals (every 2 years) - Prior to renewal, complete at least a 4-hour legal firearms update refresher course. Qualify with each gun you want listed on your CCW Permit.

Pretty straight forward stuff.

Absolutely no inference that age of training certs voids the license.

Best.

[Sapperforward]

At my first issuance appt last month I was told the exact same thing. It contradicts a bit on what I was told in this thread a couple of months ago. You must watch both dates, not just the permit.

Let me add though it should only be a month (or a few) between when you took your 4 hour refresher and when you received your re-issuance from SSD. So take your refresher training before your old training expires. Then do your re-issuance appt before two years are up on it, or god forbid you will have to redo live scan.

I believe you are wrong or the person you talked to is wrong.

Your weapons qualification and training are good from the moment your card is issued until you renew. You are not required to re-qualify on a gun already listed on your permit unless you are renewing. You do not have to take your refresher class before your old training is two years old. You just have to take your refresher before renewal.

Some people take their training class 4-8 months before they get issued. They are not told to go retrain in 18 months and bring back a training certification 6 months before their ccw expires. They, like everyone else just get a refresher course and range qualification before their ccw expires.

Otherwise they would set your expiration date to two years after the day of your training date, rather than two years from the issuance date.

EDIT:

Their have been people who have reported that because they went in with a 20+ month old training certificate for a renewal and have been told to retrain. I have heard this from people maybe once or twice. I have also heard first hand accounts from folks who have used a 20+ month old training certificate and had no problems getting renewed.

[VL221]

Why do Live Scan take that long to process?

[skishooter]

This past week I went in for my third renewal (original CCW in 2010). I mentioned to the deputy that this is a busy time of year for me and wanted to make sure I understood the training requirements correctly, indicating that I would probably do my next refresher course in July 2018. He said that would be fine but that I just needed to make sure that my training was never more than two years old. I questioned him about this to make sure I knew what he was saying. He said that my training could not be more than two years old and still carry. So, if I obtain training in July 2018 and my CCW expires in December 2020 but I did not take my refresher course until October 2020, I could not carry between July 2018 and October 2020. I see nothing of any such requirement in PC 26165 or the DOJ application. I don't believe I've run into such a situation because of the timing of my past training classes but want to make sure I am out of compliance with some requirement I'm unaware of. Thanks.

At my first issuance appt last month I was told the exact same thing. It contradicts a bit on what I was told in this thread a couple of months ago. You must watch both dates, not just the permit.

Let me add though it should only be a month (or a few) between when you took your 4 hour refresher and when you received your re-issuance from SSD. So take your refresher training before your old training expires. Then do your re-issuance appt before two years are up on it, or god forbid you will have to redo live scan.