Sacramento

[harbinger007]

That seems to be a bit of a nanny policy. If someone has an employer who does not have a firearms policy and it's not prohibited, why does the SSD need to be involved?

Fortunately, I'm self-employed and it wasn't an issue for me as I'd already talked to myself about it.

[Chops]

If you're not going to carry at work, then you have no reason to tell your employer. Simply tell the interviewing detective that you aren't planning on carrying at work. It won't be a problem.

Cool, Thank you for that info.

Chad

[ccwtrainer]

Wes, in another (long) thread for Sacramento CCWs there was some question on exactly how long a training certificate was valid for. In that discussion, I don't believe there was any distinction made between the training course or the qualification and a person or two thought it was good for 90 days, but we couldn't find any reference for this. Can you tell us where we can find the information that shows the period these are good for. I'm not implying I don't take your word on it, but it would be a good reference for others to have this information documented. Several folks have held off on training specifically because they didn't want it to expire before they reached that stage of the application process.

Thanks!

Sorry, I've been gone for a few days. I received that information from a close friend who spoke to Amber Wong directly during his CCW process. I asked him to ask several questions, these time limits being a couple of them. He called me right after he left his meeting with Amber. She told him 1 year for the course and 6 months for the shooting proficiency qualification.

I would also like to be able to reference this somewhere. Maybe if someone has an appointment with Amber, they can ask where to find documented information regarding the length of time the CCW course and qualification is good for. As busy as she is, that seems to be the only way to effectivly communicate with her.

[harbinger007]

Thanks, Wes.

Since you're providing training services, I think it would be appropriate for you to e-mail Amber regarding this information. I've e-mailed her previously and posted her information here (i.e., two barrels for same weapon okay, annual qualifications get submitted via mailed/faxed/e-mail) and she responded promptly.

[CSDGuy]

very informative thread, thank you everyone. I plan on applying for my ccw in the near future. What is a good place to obtain the 16hr ccw training?

HuyTLe: there are several places that do CCW training around here. All the Security Academies do, however, you'd be lumped in with all the security guards. Wes (ccwtrainer) has a 16 hour program that's good for Sacramento. All he covers is CCW stuff. The main thing with him is that hes much more flexible than the academies in terms of scheduling. He's very passionate about this stuff. I would definitely recommend him for training. He is a bit more expensive than the Academies, but less expensive than Ron Etchells (?). You'll learn a lot anyway, no matter who you go to... but definitely consider Wes for your training.

In any event, regardless of who does your initial training, you owe it to yourself to seek out more knowledge and training than what you get in your 16 hour class.

[ccwtrainer]

Thanks, Wes.

Since you're providing training services, I think it would be appropriate for you to e-mail Amber regarding this information. I've e-mailed her previously and posted her information here (i.e., two barrels for same weapon okay, annual qualifications get submitted via mailed/faxed/e-mail) and she responded promptly.

Funny, I've e-mailed her several times on a few different subjects and have never received a reply. In fact, I have an e-mail in right now asking the very question that we're discussing just so I can have a paper document that I can reference later. Based off of my past experiences, I don't expect a response.

Although it's a bit frustrating, I really don't hold it against her. I know that she's extremely busy with the drastic increase in CCW applications. And, I'd much rather her process one more CCW applicant than take the time to answer questions that I can get answered through other methods.

If any of you have had luck with e-mailing Amber in the past, please do regarding the length of time that the CCW course and qualification are good for and let me know if and/or when you receive a response.

Thanks.

By the way, what was the reply regarding the two barrels for the same weapon question? That's one that I've asked and never received a response on months ago.
Nevermind. I found your post on this near the bottom of page 2 in this thread. Thanks!

[CSDGuy]

Two barrels for the same frame would be considered two pistols, generally speaking. Otherwise, they wouldn't have a "caliber" section on the license or the application.

[harbinger007]

CSD, see my post referred to by Wes. My FNP-40 is listed on one line with calibers of .40 and .357. I was required to present a qualification with both the .40 S&W and .357 Sig barrels since it was considered a separate weapon in the modified configuration. In effect, I have four weapons listed on my CCW since I was left room for two lines with the FNP-40 only taking up one line.

[tonb]

Quick potentially dumb question, when you do a livescan there are 3 copies of the application. 1 for the livescan operator (he kept it), 1 for me (I kept it) and 1 for the Sheriff's dept. So the question is, what am I supposed to do with that copy for the sheriff's dept, send it to them now or include with training proof?

[CSDGuy]

CSD, see my post referred to by Wes. My FNP-40 is listed on one line with calibers of .40 and .357. I was required to present a qualification with both the .40 S&W and .357 Sig barrels since it was considered a separate weapon in the modified configuration. In effect, I have four weapons listed on my CCW since I was left room for two lines with the FNP-40 only taking up one line.

Yep. In effect, your FNP-40 was treated as two different firearms. It's a great thing that they listed both calibers on one line. They could have simply listed that pistol on two different lines as if they were different firearms. You had to qualify with it as if it was two different guns. It's awesome that they did that for you though!

[ccwtrainer]

I'm about to qualify one of my close friends with his Glock 33 that way. I'll watch him shoot the gun once with each caliber and write the qualification as:
"Glock 33 .357SIG/.40S&W SN: xxxxxxxx"
He'll be happy to find out that someone else has already done it.

[harbinger007]

Amber had told me I could list the same handgun on two separate lines if I wanted (one for each caliber), but I told her I needed that line for something else. Someone else from another county replied in my other thread (linked last night in my post on page 2 of this thread) and their county did it the same as the way mine is listed.

Quick potentially dumb question, when you do a livescan there are 3 copies of the application. 1 for the livescan operator (he kept it), 1 for me (I kept it) and 1 for the Sheriff's dept. So the question is, what am I supposed to do with that copy for the sheriff's dept, send it to them now or include with training proof?

Just wait and give it to them when you complete your final paperwork. If I recall correctly, Amber said she didn't really need it since she already had the LiveScan results but she took a copy and left me with one anyways.

[RP1911]

DOJ completed their check yesterday. FBI did it the same day as the livescan.

[ccwtrainer]

CCW Class Cetificate & Qualification Timeline

Amber Wong did in fact get back to me via e-mail quite promptly. This is a very pleasant change from July - October 2010. Here's what I asked on my second correspondence with her, as I don't believe that I made my request completely clear in my first attempt:

Amber,

I was specifically trying to find, in writing, the amount of time my initial class, my renewal class and my shooting proficiency qualifications are valid for. What I mean is, if someone were to take and pass an initial class with a shooting proficiency qualification today, 12/28/10, what is the maximum amount of time that they have before you'll not accept it and require them to retake the class and/or the qualification?

I get asked this all of the time and I really don't have a straight answer to give.

Wesley Lagomarsino

Here's Amber's reply:

All classes/certs we consider valid for 2 years.. Range qualifications are valid for one year only.

~Amber

I don't think I could have been anymore clear in my question and Amber's response is pretty clear, cut and dry. However, this totally goes against what one of my instructors was told when he spoke with her in person and against what harbinger007 was told previously. All I can say is that if this ever comes into question for anyone during their process, get in contact with me and I'll forward you the entire e-mail correspondence that I had with Amber so you can print it out and present it to her.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

Sincerely,

Wes

[Mstrty]

That should put an end to that question.