Riverside

[God Bless America]

Accepts good causes for self defense or

Accepts self defense for good cause?

Don't forget the .

[Sleighter]

Accepts good causes for self defense or

Accepts self defense for good cause?

Don't forget the .

Yes it sounds silly. But it's a distinction with a significant difference. Let's try and add clarity to process, not muddy the waters.

[emc2867]

Are we allowed to add another gun at any time or do we have to wait for renewal? I know this question has been answered somewhere on here but I haven't located it. Thank you

[chrisana]

Are we allowed to add another gun at any time or do we have to wait for renewal? I know this question has been answered somewhere on here but I haven't located it. Thank you

You may add on anytime, but the CCW Unit is so backed up right now, the likelihood of adding more to your permit is unlikely right now. I've been waiting for a response to add on for a few weeks.

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[SublimeJJ99]

Are we allowed to add another gun at any time or do we have to wait for renewal? I know this question has been answered somewhere on here but I haven't located it. Thank you

You can ammend your permit to add different guns but the Deputies in the CCW Unit don't want to do them right now due to the high amount of applications they're going through. They'll likely ask you to wait til you renew your permit.

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[5trap]

Called for interview: Late Aug 2015

Interview Appt: Late March 2016




I am needing my three reference letters. I found a template from an earlier post. Would it be suspicious or red flagged if the format was the same for all three character reference letters. If anyone can post one of theirs so I may have differing formats that would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance for everyone's helpful input and information.

[Budguy21]

Are we allowed to add another gun at any time or do we have to wait for renewal? I know this question has been answered somewhere on here but I haven't located it. Thank you

Deputy Aguirre told me they are not adding any guns to permits right now.

They are too busy processing permits through. For now, you will have to wait until you renew.

[God Bless America]

Yes it sounds silly. But it's a distinction with a significant difference. Let's try and add clarity to process, not muddy the waters.

I do not understand the distinction. I thought you were tired or distracted when you posted "good causes for self defense." If that was not an inadvertent transposition, then please by all means clarify it for us.

[Sleighter]

I do not understand the distinction. I thought you were tired or distracted when you posted "good causes for self defense." If that was not an inadvertent transposition, then please by all means clarify it for us.

Here is the difference: When people generally ask if Riverside accepts "self defense" they literally mean if they put the words

self defense

in the box for good cause if that is acceptable. The answer is NO. That will not fly.

However, that doesn't mean your good cause can't be self-defense based. For example:

I often am on construction sites early in the morning or late in the evening when nobody else is on site. I don't have anything on my person that is worth stealing, however because I would be vulnerable in that situation and undesirable characters can often be found on construction sites when nobody else is there, I desire to carry for self-defense.

That good cause has a high likelihood of being approved. It is still a "self defense" based good cause, it's just explained.

The way I see it is you can have a lot of good cause categories: target for robbery because of what you have, target of violence because of who you are, target of violence because of where you work, target of violence because of activities you're involved with, target of opportunity due to location.

Being targeted because of what you have: valuables, cash, equipment, access to Rx drugs, etc. aren't strictly self-defense related. They're after your things, not you specifically. Other categories like being targeted for your job or activities that you do, (nurse, LEO, firefighter) are more closely tied to self-defense.

So some self-defense based good causes will obviously pass. Almost everything passes! But you've got to explain it in your GC so that the deputies understand the danger and how a firearm will help.

Those 2 things are all you need in your GC: 1) What danger are you trying to avoid. 2) How will having a firearm help you avoid that danger. That's it. You don't need anything more or less than that. You don't need to spend 2 paragraphs talking about what a great guy/gal you are and all of your values. Just explain your need and how your permit will help. Keep it simple and you'll be approved.

[Firefox70066]

Deputy Aguirre told me they are not adding any guns to permits right now.

They are too busy processing permits through. For now, you will have to wait until you renew.

I was told the same thing, they are just too overwhelmed right now.

[Firefox70066]

Question: I have a 9mm S&W compact pistol from the late 80's/ early 90's I use for CCW carry. I have owned (2) of these guns and legally process 10 and 12 Rd factory mags. The 12 round mags I got before the hi-cap ban and have no "LE" markings. So I know I am grandfathered for home defense use.
My question is: Do you think I could legally use the 12-Rd mags for CCW carry, or do you think there could be a legal nightmare if I had to discharge the firearm in a self defense situation while carrying.
My options are: 1) Carry and use the 12 Rd mags.

2) Carry the 12 Rd mags and only load 10 rds on
the mag to reduce spring compression.

3) Or keep simple and just carry my 10 Rd mags.

Thanks for any feedback.

[Sleighter]

Question: I have a 9mm S&W compact pistol from the late 80's/ early 90's I use for CCW carry. I have owned (2) of these guns and legally process 10 and 12 Rd factory mags. The 12 round mags I got before the hi-cap ban and have no "LE" markings. So I know I am grandfathered for home defense use.
My question is: Do you think I could legally use the 12-Rd mags for CCW carry, or do you think there could be a legal nightmare if I had to discharge the firearm in a self defense situation while carrying.
My options are: 1) Carry and use the 12 Rd mags.

2) Carry the 12 Rd mags and only load 10 rds on
the mag to reduce spring compression.

3) Or keep simple and just carry my 10 Rd mags.

Thanks for any feedback.

If you are older than 36 years old, legally possess the magazines and have a valid CCW, I would not hesitate to carry the largest mags that you can reasonably accommodate. If you want to carry shorter mags in the gun for concealability and carry the 12s as spares, that's a personal decision.

For clarification: there is no age requirement to legally own magazines, however if you were 21 (minimum age to buy a handgun) in 2000, then you would be 36 this year. Being older makes it reasonable that you owned high cap mags before the ban. Being under 36 doesn't mean you're automatically guilty, but it's suspicious as all h***. I would expect extra attention if you're under 36 with high caps.

[Catalyst81]

Finally picked it up today. My timeline is below.

Interviewed 4/23/15
Livescan 4/27/15
Qualified 6/24/15
Approved 9/3/15

*** Added - for those thinking about applying - DO IT! I had my GC reviewed by someone on a different site who told me Riverside won't issue for that. Guess what - he was WRONG. Glad I went for it anyway.

[chrisana]

Finally picked it up today. My timeline is below.

Interviewed 4/23/15
Livescan 4/27/15
Qualified 6/24/15
Approved 9/3/15

Congrats and carry safe!

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[Firefox70066]

If you are older than 36 years old, legally possess the magazines and have a valid CCW, I would not hesitate to carry the largest mags that you can reasonably accommodate. If you want to carry shorter mags in the gun for concealability and carry the 12s as spares, that's a personal decision.

For clarification: there is no age requirement to legally own magazines, however if you were 21 (minimum age to buy a handgun) in 2000, then you would be 36 this year. Being older makes it reasonable that you owned high cap mags before the ban. Being under 36 doesn't mean you're automatically guilty, but it's suspicious as all h***. I would expect extra attention if you're under 36 with high caps.

Thanks Sleighter... I was hoping for a response from you because I value your input on this forum and yes I am a good amount over 36 yrs. And my 12 Rd mags are the same size body as my 10 Rd mags, they are just factory modified to accept 10 Rds. Plus I have the sales receipt from 1990 of the purchase of the firearm that included the 12 Rd mags.