Riverside

[emc2867]

does anyone have any knowledge if I do my class and range before my interview with riverside will that cause a problem? I was planning doing my class with Firearms Training Associates because I have taken other courses there, and I was hoping it would speed up wait time having it already done. I was just wanting to know if anyone else had done this or if anyone knows if this is looked down on be the guys at riverside.

I did mine a month before the Feb. interview, was not a problem...picked up in June, 2015.

[ShanMan]

I got livescan done in june, still haven't done my range qualification. Just an update for those who gave me advice so far.

[ambiguous216]

Is the live scan a two part process and is that why it takes so long?

First is the background with DOJ and FBI and second is the running the serial numbers on your guns you qualified with?

[Sleighter]

Is the live scan a two part process and is that why it takes so long?

First is the background with DOJ and FBI and second is the running the serial numbers on your guns you qualified with?

That's the gist of it.

[homelessdude]

Have any numbers showed up for how many permits Riverside has actually issued?

[Sleighter]

Have any numbers showed up for how many permits Riverside has actually issued?

Not yet. But the CGF numbers will be based on the DOJ numbers. Apparently those numbers can be as much as 4-6 months behind the actual issuance numbers. The last number I heard being thrown around over 3100.

[homelessdude]

Do you think 3100 is the total number of active permits or is it for a time period? 2014, etc.

[Sleighter]

I believe it was the total active number. If you want the real number you can ask Aguirre or Yezzo. I'm sure that they know what it is.

[homelessdude]

Doesn't that number seem awfully small to you. According to Wickpedia Riverside County has a population of 2,189,641 as of 2010. It is the fourth largest county population wise in the state and the eleventh in the country. Putting aside country numbers because we both know that won't work if we are the fourth largest in the state why aren't we in the top seven counties for issue. My math sucks but I think we are less than 1%. Anyone with more smarts than I want to do the math? The numbers for the last six months would have to be amazing to make much of a change in that percentage. Not trying to fight with anyone but it's hard to be optimistic without good hard data. Before the haters start I've been thru the system and am waiting to be judged worthy. Sure would help to know the number of applications that have been submitted in the last few years.

[tatsuosan1964]

Part of the reason for these low numbers is that many potential CCW holders have been procrastinating for years about taking the time and effort to go through the process. We have been allowed to believe that it is next to impossible to obtain a CCW in California. Riverside County has been CCW friendly for quite some time now but many, including myself, kept finding reasons to not go through the process, creating a self fulfilling prophecy that they would not get approved, too much effort just to get turned down, or simply the fear of failure. Riverside is not going to seek out those who want to and would be qualified carry. You have to take the first step, which obviously you have, and wait it out.

With recent court cases and a light at the end of the tunnel, Riverside has more applications than they can handle. I read where some will say that they need more deputies working on these. That is true but they are a business, with a budget, with measurable data to demonstrate effectiveness or not. Budget for additional personnel would probably not go to the CCW unit but to patrol or other shorthanded divisions.

[R Dale]

Part of the reason for these low numbers is that many potential CCW holders have been procrastinating for years about taking the time and effort to go through the process. We have been allowed to believe that it is next to impossible to obtain a CCW in California. Riverside County has been CCW friendly for quite some time now but many, including myself, kept finding reasons to not go through the process, creating a self fulfilling prophecy that they would not get approved, too much effort just to get turned down, or simply the fear of failure. Riverside is not going to seek out those who want to and would be qualified carry. You have to take the first step, which obviously you have, and wait it out.

With recent court cases and a light at the end of the tunnel, Riverside has more applications than they can handle. I read where some will say that they need more deputies working on these. That is true but they are a business, with a budget, with measurable data to demonstrate effectiveness or not. Budget for additional personnel would probably not go to the CCW unit but to patrol or other shorthanded divisions.

IMO if Riverside County was truly CCW friendly the only requirement to get a permit would be to pass a background check and firearm proficiency / safety class. If they did this they would not be
backlogged.

[camvoncrosshair]

The Peruta ruling in early 2014 did help spur many to apply, so the numbers began to ramp up. But with the time it takes to get your appointment, then the wait to be issued, it can easily span 2 calendar years. Many who started the process in 2014 were not issued until 2015.

Sleighter touched on another portion of it as well. We were talking to a captain with San Bernardino County Sheriff a few days ago and he told us a bit about the reported number. The DOJ bases the numbers on when they enter the info, not when the permit is issued. The DOJ is perpetually way behind on entering info, to the tune of many months. So if your IA issues to you in October, DOJ might not have that info entered until February of the next year. So many of the permits actually issued in the later months of 2014 have not been included in the numbers reported by DOJ, but will be for 2015. The captain also said that when they have officially requested info from DOJ, it never matches what the sheriff's dept has. So not only is the state slow, but they have incorrect info as well. I am sure none of us are shocked by this....

The numbers for 2015 should be much more revealing, not just for Riverside, but across the state.

[Sleighter]

Doesn't that number seem awfully small to you. According to Wickpedia Riverside County has a population of 2,189,641 as of 2010. It is the fourth largest county population wise in the state and the eleventh in the country. Putting aside country numbers because we both know that won't work if we are the fourth largest in the state why aren't we in the top seven counties for issue. My math sucks but I think we are less than 1%. Anyone with more smarts than I want to do the math? The numbers for the last six months would have to be amazing to make much of a change in that percentage. Not trying to fight with anyone but it's hard to be optimistic without good hard data. Before the haters start I've been thru the system and am waiting to be judged worthy. Sure would help to know the number of applications that have been submitted in the last few years.

The numbers are pretty amazing considering the 2013 CCW numbers from CGF indicate less than 800 civilian CCW permits were active. Even if we grant that there could be as many as 1000 because of data input delays. That means that Riverside has more than tripled their issuance in the last year.

After working closely with a lot of people applying it is my belief that Riverside didn't have more permits issued because people were afraid or unwilling to discuss their experiences and help motivate other people to apply.

CGF also unfortunately holds some blame for this because they claimed indiscriminate issuance based on good cause, that the CCW unit used chilling language to stop applicants, and other allegations that have proven to be untrue for hundreds of applicants. The greatest chilling effect on the number of permits was the gun community failing to communicate and misinformation that was taken as truth.

Given the choke point created by the manpower available to the CCW unit, I suspect that it will take some time for the backlog to be alleviated. In the next few years we will continue to see the Riverside numbers spike as more and more people become aware of the availability of permits.

You asked for good hard data. So there you go.

[homelessdude]

No one can produce the numbers for 2014 and we are almost 9 months into 2015 At this rate the 2015 numbers won't be available untill close to 2017. I wonder if the small number really is because of the low number of applications submitted, or is it the number approved. It would seem that other counties in Ca. would have similar situations and at least seven of them issue more than Riverside. It would be hard to verifie without knowing the number submitted. The one thing that seems to support your view is we have not seen a lot of people getting on this site and saying they were denied. I like the above statment that I will quoate " They are a business, with a budget, with measureable data to demonstrate effectiveness or not." I would remind you that they are breaking the law by making the process take so long. That should be enough incentive to make it move a little quicker. Sleighter has done a great job of increseing the number of aps. It would be nice to see what Riverside has done.

[Sleighter]

If you want the current number, then call the CCW unit and ask. If you've interviewed already you know that they're good guys and easy to work with. Just ask.

Also, the low number of issued permits in the past is directly caused by a low number of applicants. That is why the dept was able to tout the oft quoted number of 98% approval rate. CGF argued that number was so high because they discouraged people from applying. However, once Calguns members determined to find out what the reality was, the statistic held true and not just for Jewelers, realtors, and business owners as we were led to believe.

As I've said before and I'm sure I'll be saying again and again. The reason more people didn't have permits is because they didn't apply because they were misled by people that said they were "in the know."