Riverside

[LMan57]

I had heard mention of him literally laughing in the face of someone who had asked him about that within the last week or two on the local FB pages.

I was told before from a source that he and the city did not want to deal with the liability plus they are very under staffed. Well this way we will know for sure how he feels about it I will keep you guys posted.

[guns4life]

Okie dokie...there was a second money order due the day of the initial interview for the $95.00 livescan(DOJ fee). I also tried to type up and print some generic character letters and have my friends just sign them to reduce the hassle, that was a no-go.


Other than that I am scheduling my Livescan and CCW classes and moving forward.

[Sleighter]

I was told before from a source that he and the city did not want to deal with the liability plus they are very under staffed. Well this way we will know for sure how he feels about it I will keep you guys posted.

I would challenge them on the liability aspect and find out what liability they think they're taking on.

[LMan57]

I would challenge them on the liability aspect and find out what liability they think they're taking on.

Yes sounds like a good Idea so far no reply from Chief Brown, If necessary I want to get some other Hemet citizens in the mix and maybe go to a city counsel meeting make some calls e mails to show it is not just me or two guys wanting this. I also want to go to the NRA meeting tonight and ask some questions about how to go about this I might be doing it all wrong but me Sciatica is acting up so I am in bed.

[Sleighter]

Yes sounds like a good Idea so far no reply from Chief Brown, If necessary I want to get some other Hemet citizens in the mix and maybe go to a city counsel meeting make some calls e mails to show it is not just me or two guys wanting this. I also want to go to the NRA meeting tonight and ask some questions about how to go about this I might be doing it all wrong but me Sciatica is acting up so I am in bed.

If you make it out to the meeting, please come introduce yourself afterwards.

[R Dale]

I would challenge them on the liability aspect and find out what liability they think they're taking on.

I would guess the same liability that the county sheriff spoke of recently that he was concerned about.

[R Dale]

Okie dokie...there was a second money order due the day of the initial interview for the $95.00 livescan(DOJ fee). I also tried to type up and print some generic character letters and have my friends just sign them to reduce the hassle, that was a no-go.


Other than that I am scheduling my Livescan and CCW classes and moving forward.

thats two bad in fact they need to do away with the letter requirement altogether. But it does say on the sheriff web site the letters need to be written a certain way and contain certain language but I know for a fact its no bodies business if I want a carry permit nor should the sheriff care what my friends or my employer think about me having a permit.

[God Bless America]

How can I legally challenge Sniff's 2 year waiting period and failure to schedule an interview? He is clearly violating recent law via delay tactics. Any suggestions as to pre-lawsuit preparations?

It will be an exercise in futility and ill-advised. Expensive, too. And it will take at least a year to get to a hearing, with an appeal after that. If you still have more enthusiasm, money, and time than you do good sense, then you will want to petition the court for a writ of mandate. You will want to enjoin the Sheriff to execute his official duty under CCP section 1085. Mind you he still gets to exercise his discretion; a court can order him to act but cannot compel a certain outcome in this case.

What recent law do you believe he is violating?

You know, it wasn't a 2-year wait before those Muslim terrorists murdered people in San Bernardino. Applications skyrocketed after that. So did the demands on Sheriff Sniff and his limited resource of sworn officers. No court will order Sheriff Sniff to cut back on law enforcement in order to process more permits.

I understand and share your frustration, but Sniff is a pretty good friend to gun owners. Moreso than the average CLEO.

You are better served by moving to San Bernardino county and getting your permit there, than suing Sheriff Sniff. Faster and cheaper, and it will be far likelier to work.

[Firefox70066]

It will be an exercise in futility and ill-advised. Expensive, too. And it will take at least a year to get to a hearing, with an appeal after that. If you still have more enthusiasm, money, and time than you do good sense, then you will want to petition the court for a writ of mandate. You will want to enjoin the Sheriff to execute his official duty under CCP section 1085. Mind you he still gets to exercise his discretion; a court can order him to act but cannot compel a certain outcome in this case.

What recent law do you believe he is violating?

You know, it wasn't a 2-year wait before those Muslim terrorists murdered people in San Bernardino. Applications skyrocketed after that. So did the demands on Sheriff Sniff and his limited resource of sworn officers. No court will order Sheriff Sniff to cut back on law enforcement in order to process more permits.

I understand and share your frustration, but Sniff is a pretty good friend to gun owners. Moreso than the average CLEO.

You are better served by moving to San Bernardino county and getting your permit there, than suing Sheriff Sniff. Faster and cheaper, and it will be far likelier to work.

I fully agree.

[this_copy]

Just to clarify. Can the 2-year wait be considered a violation of the law? My understanding is that they have 90 Days from the Interview Date to determine your eligibility. Not many people are posting their time frames on here anymore, but the usual seemed to be about 4-5 months from Interview Date.

My point being, if one was to pursue a legal challenge to the length of time it currently takes to obtain a CCW in Riverside, would they be challenging the 2 years or the 1-2 months beyond the 90 Day requirement?

I'm sure an answer to my question is on this thread somewhere. However, we're at 54 pages now(another topic that needs to be discussed) so finding specific info is becoming more problematic.

Someone please school me on my points/questions.

[GuyFawkes]

Just to clarify. Can the 2-year wait be considered a violation of the law? My understanding is that they have 90 Days from the Interview Date to determine your eligibility. Not many people are posting their time frames on here anymore, but the usual seemed to be about 4-5 months from Interview Date.

My point being, if one was to pursue a legal challenge to the length of time it currently takes to obtain a CCW in Riverside, would they be challenging the 2 years or the 1-2 months beyond the 90 Day requirement?

I'm sure an answer to my question is on this thread somewhere. However, we're at 54 pages now(another topic that needs to be discussed) so finding specific info is becoming more problematic.

Someone please school me on my points/questions.

They have a loophole around that. They wont let you submit your application without an appointment. The appointment is what is taking 2 years.

[this_copy]

They have a loophole around that. They wont let you submit your application without an appointment. The appointment is what is taking 2 years.

Correct. Sorry, made sense in my head when I wrote it but I should have been more clear. I did mean 90 days after the Interview Date at which you submit your application.

[GuyFawkes]

Correct. Sorry, made sense in my head when I wrote it but I should have been more clear. I did mean 90 days after the Interview Date at which you submit your application.

Oh, I understand now. I misread.

You could challenge the fact that they wont accept applications without an appointment. Otherwise the only delay you could challenge is the 90 days after interview. Even in that case they have justification for their delay so any challenge is not going to go anywhere. It's not as if they are making a policy of delaying applicants, they are legitimately swamped.

[R Dale]

Oh, I understand now. I misread.

You could challenge the fact that they wont accept applications without an appointment. Otherwise the only delay you could challenge is the 90 days after interview. Even in that case they have justification for their delay so any challenge is not going to go anywhere. It's not as if they are making a policy of delaying applicants, they are legitimately swamped.

They may be swamped but the same applies at the supermarket if there are only two clerks on the checkouts the store will be swamped. Obviously there needs to be a plan in place to deal with the county being swamped, what happens if one of the deputies in the CCW unit goes on vacation or becomes ill will the wait times increase yet again? We know at the supermarket they will call more cashiers to the checkout so likewise the county needs a plan to deal with being swamped.

[guns4life]

Out of the 4 facilities on the list, which is the least expensive CCW class to complete?

I wish they would exempt me from the training seeing as I am a current NRA instructor/RSO + DOJ FSC instructor, Frontsight life member(with pistol certs) and have completed dozens of hours of defensive pistol courses(with certs) at other establishments over the years.

Not good enough per the good Deputies unfortunately.