Riverside

[ambiguous216]

The article states Sheriff Sniff doesn't want to pull deputies off patrol to help the ccw unit... Why not hire civilians or temp employees to assist?

Doesn't look like the deputies will be getting any help.

http://www.pe.com/articles/county-79...rside-dec.html

[Letterman52]

Sights are fine. Grips are fine. Riverside even allows Trigger mods as long as your trigger is above 4 pounds. Ive been told they don't look kindly on removing safeties and stuff like that (LCI).

Thanks for the reply. I called one of the CCW instruction sites and they confirmed trijicon night sights are fine. I asked about holsters as well. The blackhawk CQC holsters are fine for use. As long as the weapon is secure in the holster.

[morethanfire]

I called December 23 and got an appointment on May 11, 2017.
If all is true, the deputies are doing all they can do with what they have.

[R Dale]

The article states Sheriff Sniff doesn't want to pull deputies off patrol to help the ccw unit... Why not hire civilians or temp employees to assist?

The answer is the sheriff would rather not issue at all, Not only could they use civilians or temps but they could even suspend some of the requirements during times of heavy backlogs.

[Sleighter]

The answer is the sheriff would rather not issue at all, Not only could they use civilians or temps but they could even suspend some of the requirements during times of heavy backlogs.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Because of the background files only sworn LEOs can do the interviews and paperwork.

What makes you think the sheriff doesn't want to issue? Is it all of the denials that we've been hearing about in this thread (sarcasm)? Or is it just because things aren't perfect? Or do you have an axe to grind?

[R Dale]

Sorry, but you're wrong. Because of the background files only sworn LEOs can do the interviews and paperwork.

What makes you think the sheriff doesn't want to issue? Is it all of the denials that we've been hearing about in this thread (sarcasm)? Or is it just because things aren't perfect? Or do you have an axe to grind?

Ok I will give you fact that I did not know that only sworn LEOs could do the interviews and paperwork, But I stand by the rest of what I said and yes I do have a axe to grind with the whole CA system of doing things as they pertain to guns.

[Tofie]

Do you think the wait is really 15 months? Or are they trying to scare away the non serious applicants?

[this_copy]

Do you think the wait is really 15 months? Or are they trying to scare away the non serious applicants?

I think if the two deputies follow the policies and procedures that are currently in place, yes, it will be 15 months. If they get some help or change the policies and procedures then maybe shorter time-frames could be possible. Just my 2 cents.

[Sleighter]

I don't think that the issue is policies and procedures. I think the major road block is manpower. Someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but here are the numbers that I'm seeing:

The CCW department currently renews on average 120 permits per month. There are usually 20 working days in a month, so that's 6 renewals each working day. In addition, the deputies historically can issue between 80-120 new permits each month, adding in another 4-6 initial permit interviews per working day. Altogether, that means they are scheduling 10-12 face-to-face interviews each day.

After the interviews, they must then compile the application and go through the packet, notate what is there, what is missing and what additional information is needed. Livescans and the results need to be reviewed, added to each file, and the file must then be reviewed and updated with what remaining docs are needed before the file can be sent "upstairs".

Aside from just the paperwork coming back from livescans, they also run a background check on each person through various LEA databases and notate what results are returned from those checks. And on top of it, I don't see or hear the deputies getting snippy or short with people, even the ones that make the process longer. They're good guys to deal with and make the process about as smooth as they can and generally have a good attitude while they do it.

All of that work is necessary if everything goes smoothly. Factor in the multiple phone calls they get each day, the time it takes to listen to them, pull the file for the information to answer the question the person called about, and then the time to call them back. Add in the time it takes to just maintain their constantly changing schedule with cancellations and hundreds of people calling to apply, asking about their interview and other general questions.

Worst of all, people come to their appointments with incomplete and obviously missing packets. Then those people will call 3,4,5 times to submit each missing item individually and ask for a status update. How much time do you think it takes to receive a message, pull the file, return the call (if they answer the 1st time) input data, put the file away, then transition back to what you were doing? That is all wasted time that applicants are directly responsible for.

I'm not saying the system and wait time doesn't suck. It does. It's a mess and it's not fair to people that actually need a permit to protect their lives from a serious threat. However, let's not be naive about what's actually going on just because we don't like it.

[this_copy]

I don't think that the issue is policies and procedures. I think the major road block is manpower. Someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but here are the numbers that I'm seeing:

The CCW department currently renews on average 120 permits per month. There are usually 20 working days in a month, so that's 6 renewals each working day. In addition, the deputies historically can issue between 80-120 new permits each month, adding in another 4-6 initial permit interviews per working day. Altogether, that means they are scheduling 10-12 face-to-face interviews each day.

After the interviews, they must then compile the application and go through the packet, notate what is there, what is missing and what additional information is needed. Livescans and the results need to be reviewed, added to each file, and the file must then be reviewed and updated with what remaining docs are needed before the file can be sent "upstairs".

Aside from just the paperwork coming back from livescans, they also run a background check on each person through various LEA databases and notate what results are returned from those checks. And on top of it, I don't see or hear the deputies getting snippy or short with people, even the ones that make the process longer. They're good guys to deal with and make the process about as smooth as they can and generally have a good attitude while they do it.

All of that work is necessary if everything goes smoothly. Factor in the multiple phone calls they get each day, the time it takes to listen to them, pull the file for the information to answer the question the person called about, and then the time to call them back. Add in the time it takes to just maintain their constantly changing schedule with cancellations and hundreds of people calling to apply, asking about their interview and other general questions.

Worst of all, people come to their appointments with incomplete and obviously missing packets. Then those people will call 3,4,5 times to submit each missing item individually and ask for a status update. How much time do you think it takes to receive a message, pull the file, return the call (if they answer the 1st time) input data, put the file away, then transition back to what you were doing? That is all wasted time that applicants are directly responsible for.

I'm not saying the system and wait time doesn't suck. It does. It's a mess and it's not fair to people that actually need a permit to protect their lives from a serious threat. However, let's not be naive about what's actually going on just because we don't like it.

Like I said, if the policies and procedures do not change, yes, it will be 15 months.

In Laymans terms: If it keeps getting done the way it's being done now, yes, it will be 15 months.

[Sleighter]

Like I said, if the policies and procedures do not change, yes, it will be 15 months.

In Laymans terms: If it keeps getting done the way it's being done now, yes, it will be 15 months.

Yup. I didn't mean to come across as criticizing anyone that's why I didn't quote a post. I just thought I'd try and shed some light on what's going on that people may not realize. It's easy to look at your individual process and say "what takes so long?" When you call a few times to ask questions about this or that, and it only takes 3-5 minutes you don't think it makes much difference. But you have to factor in the time to play phone tag, and everything else and multiply that by hundreds of applicants.

[R Dale]

I think most people understand why the process takes so long, Obviously if it takes so many day to go through a certain amount applications and then the amount of applications triple then the amount of time to process them will triple if you keep the process the same. I think that some people are wondering why they don't change the way they handle the applications so they can speed things up but of course only the sheriff can answer that.

[Sleighter]

I think most people understand why the process takes so long, Obviously if it takes so many day to go through a certain amount applications and then the amount of applications triple then the amount of time to process them will triple if you keep the process the same. I think that some people are wondering why they don't change the way they handle the applications so they can speed things up but of course only the sheriff can answer that.

Well he'll be meeting with the NRA member's council next month. What suggestion to improve the process would you like for me to pass along?

[R Dale]

Well he'll be meeting with the NRA member's council next month. What suggestion to improve the process would you like for me to pass along?

What is the NRA members council? I am sure I can come up with some suggestions though.

[Glimmer3]

Its a man power issue and rise of concerned citizens wanting there permits..!