San Mateo

[9Cal_OC]

Thought I’d cross-post SB918 below. If and when you do get issued, see changes to CCW application process for all counties and restricted areas. This just passed committee and will need to be voted on.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB918

26230. (a) A person granted a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person pursuant to Section 26150, 26155, or 26170 shall not carry a firearm on or into any of the following:
(1) A place prohibited by Section 626.9.
(2) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a preschool or childcare facility, including a room or portion of a building under the control of a preschool or childcare facility. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent the operator of a childcare facility in a family home from owning or possessing a firearm in the home if no child under child care at the home is present in the home or the firearm in the home is unloaded, stored in a locked container, and stored separately from ammunition when a child under child care at the home is present in the home so long as the childcare provider notifies clients that there is a firearm in the home.
(3) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of the state government.
(4) A building designated for a court proceeding, including matters before a superior court, district court of appeal, or the California Supreme Court, parking area under the control of the owner or operator of that building, or a building or portion of a building under the control of the Supreme Court.
(5) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of a unit of local government, unless the firearm is being carried for purposes of training pursuant to Section 26165.
(6) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of an adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison, or jail.
(7) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private hospital or hospital affiliate, mental health facility, nursing home, medical office, urgent care facility, or other place at which medical services are customarily provided.
(8) A bus, train, or other form of transportation paid for in whole or in part with public funds, and a building, real property, or parking area under the control of a transportation authority supported in whole or in part with public funds.
(9) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a vendor or an establishment where intoxicating liquor is sold for consumption on the premises.
(10) A public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from a federal, state, or local government and sidewalk or street immediately adjacent to the public gathering or special event but is not more than 1,000 feet from the event or gathering, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
(11) A playground or public or private youth center, as defined in Section 626.95, and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to the playground or youth center.
(12) A park, athletic area, or athletic facility that is open to the public and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to those areas, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through such a place in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
(13) Real property under the control of the Department of Parks and Recreation or Department of Fish and Wildlife, except those areas designated for hunting pursuant to Section 5003.1 of the Public Resources Code, Section 4501 of Title 14 of the California Code of Regulations, or any other designated public hunting area, public shooting ground, or building where firearm possession is permitted by applicable law.
(14) Any area under the control of a public or private community college, college, or university, including, but not limited to, buildings, classrooms, laboratories, medical clinics, hospitals, artistic venues, athletic fields or venues, entertainment venues, officially recognized university-related organization properties, whether owned or leased, and any real property, including parking areas, sidewalks, and common areas.
(15) A building, real property, or parking area that is or would be used for gambling or gaming of any kind whatsoever, including, but not limited to, casinos, gambling establishments, gaming clubs, bingo operations, facilities licensed by the California Horse Racing Board, or a facility wherein banked or percentage games, any form of gambling device, or lotteries, other than the California State Lottery, are or will be played.
(16) A stadium, arena, or the real property or parking area under the control of a stadium, arena, or a collegiate or professional sporting or eSporting event.
(17) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a public library.
(18) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an airport or passenger vessel terminal, as those terms are defined in subdivision (a) of Section 171.5.
(19) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an amusement park.
(20) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a zoo or museum.
(21) A street, driveway, parking area, property, building, or facility, owned, leased, controlled, or used by a nuclear energy, storage, weapons, or development site or facility regulated by the federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
(22) A church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship, including in any parking area immediately adjacent thereto, unless the operator of the place of worship clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
(23) A financial institution or parking area under the control of a financial institution.
(24) A police, sheriff, or highway patrol station or parking area under control of a law enforcement agency.
(25) A polling place, voting center, precinct, or other area or location where votes are being cast or cast ballots are being returned or counted, or the streets or sidewalks immediately adjacent to any of these places.
(26) Any other privately-owned commercial establishment that is open to the public, unless the operator of the establishment clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
(27) Any other place or area prohibited by other provisions of state law.
(28) An area where firearms are prohibited under federal law.

Exception includes leaving it in your car should you be at a restricted place defeating the purpose of CCW:

Notwithstanding subdivision (a), except under paragraph (21) or (28) of subdivision (a), a licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subdivision (a) shall be allowed to:
(1) Transport a concealed firearm or ammunition within a vehicle into or out of the parking area so long as the firearm is locked in a lock box.
(2) Store ammunition or a firearm within a locked lock box and out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area.
(3) Transport a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding their vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within a locked lock box in the vehicle’s trunk or other place inside the vehicle that is out of plain view.

[Paladin]

THANK YOU FOR SPREADING THIS AROUND!!!

[MR 762]

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB918

Exception includes leaving it in your car should you be at a restricted place defeating the purpose of CCW:

Maybe they should have just listed where it is okay instead...I think the list would be shorter

[evdrip]

Maybe they should have just listed where it is okay instead...I think the list would be shorter

That'd be way too easy and logical. They're trying to make it as confusing as possible so people give up on concealed carry. And for those who decide to carry anyways, they're itching for you to carry into one of these prohibited areas so they can throw the book at you and revoke your right to carry.

[RudyP]

Newbie question here: I am a San Mateo county resident but currently my guns are out of state at our other place in MT. I'd like to apply for a CCW here if that turns out to be a possibility but more importantly, I'd like to bring some of my guns here first - even if just to keep at home for home protection and range trips. Do I need to "register" guns here when I bring them in state? None of these were purchased in states that require registration and it has been years since I have bought a gun but all they did was the NICS check. The guns are a mix of handguns, rifles and shotguns.

Thanks in advance!!

[kertong]

just bought a kimber ultra cdp ii! would prefer not to test and qualify with my full sized 1911s if we ever do get ccw's issued here.

I see an interesting potential future here; permits go shall issue, but SB918 passes. This will divide us quite a bit, as many of us will exercise our right to carry, and only patronize the establishments that permit firearms; and the liberal anti-gunners will boycott such places.

it puts commerce and business owners in a difficult position to have to divide their customer base as such.

if this passes, i feel we need to assemble and unify to voice our support to businesses; otherwise they will not want to piss off a large existing "normal" customer base as theyll assume the ccw crowd is much smaller and disposable to their bottom line.

sucks that lawmakers are pushing for such division.

[evdrip]

Newbie question here: I am a San Mateo county resident but currently my guns are out of state at our other place in MT. I'd like to apply for a CCW here if that turns out to be a possibility but more importantly, I'd like to bring some of my guns here first - even if just to keep at home for home protection and range trips. Do I need to "register" guns here when I bring them in state? None of these were purchased in states that require registration and it has been years since I have bought a gun but all they did was the NICS check. The guns are a mix of handguns, rifles and shotguns.

Thanks in advance!!

I'm not a lawyer, so take this with a grain of salt.

It's to my understanding that handguns that you want to be listed on your CCW permit need to be registered in CA.

There are a number of laws regarding the importation of firearms into CA. Generally, the personal importation of firearms (without having to go through an FFL) is limited to new residents moving into CA, interstate succession of firearms from a deceased immediate family member, or FFL03 holders of curio and relic firearms. Out of state visitors can also bring their firearms into the state so long as they plan on leaving the state with the firearms. If you don't fall into the aforementioned categories, then the firearms usually have to go through an FFL. If you are an established CA resident you are bound by the handgun roster, and all firearms you purchase out of state must go through an FFL.

I think you're in a tough spot if you're already an established CA resident. If you were a new resident, you can register your firearms by simply completing DOJ Form "BOF 4010A - New Resident Report of Firearm Ownership".

There's a way CA residents can register their unregistered firearms, and that's by using DOJ Form "BOF 4542A - Firearm Ownership Report". However, this form is intended for individuals who wish to register firearms that were legally acquired prior to handgun registration taking effect in 1998 and long gun registration taking effect in 2014.

Maybe someone else who knows more about this subject can share their thoughts as well.

[RudyP]

Thanks evdrip. This sounds like it might be a bit complicated and I may need to hire an attorney for advice - I am OK with spending some money to do it correctly and ensure that I am not exposed to any legal risk. Any recommendations for a pro-firearm attorney in the area?

[evdrip]

Thanks evdrip. This sounds like it might be a bit complicated and I may need to hire an attorney for advice - I am OK with spending some money to do it correctly and ensure that I am not exposed to any legal risk. Any recommendations for a pro-firearm attorney in the area?

Yea, CA doesn't make it easy for lawful gun owners. Unfortunately, I don't have an attorney to recommend. But best of luck to you! Hopefully, you'll be able to bring your firearms over without too much difficulty.

[gose]

Thanks for the input!
Forgive what might be a dumb question but when you say from a holstered gun do you need to qualify with the one you carry with? If you have a couple depending on what you wear are you free to switch them out once approved? Can an OWB be used? Are extra mag holders or a minimum amount of magazines required? (I totally understand if some / all of this isn't known until someone goes thought the process more recently)
Any recommendations on a good training class in the area with people knowledge about the process? I figure something like that can't hurt when they are looking for a reason to not issue.

They dont really care about the holster, as long as it's "suitable" e.g. if you show up with an IPSC race holster, they might complain. Yeah, and no Serpas. Most people have more than one holster, so pick one youre comfortable with and most likely to use.

They ask that you bring at least 3 mags for each gun you want to qualify with. Legally owed high caps is fine, but you probably want to leave your drums and 33 rounders at home...

Youre in good hands, the Range Deputies are gun guys and generally very friendly. They care about making sure you learn what you need to learn and that youre safe at the range.

That being said, with a likely insane influx of applications, no one knows if the SD is going to continue doing the classes/quals they way they have in the past, or if they'll find some other solution.

[DJD100]

1. The live fire drill is pretty basic. 48 rounds / weapon. I believe it's a TQ19 target, or a variant there of, and you need to keep 80% of the rounds inside the hit area. 3, 7, 10y, if I remember correctly. All from a holstered gun. Any reasonable calgunner should pass.

2. The class is a full-day, run by deputies, at the Coyote point range, going through laws, use of force etc, rounding off with the range qual. Not sure how this will scale moving forward.

3. For the initial application, the live scan wasnt done until after you had gone through the process and completed your interview. It was done down at the SD office in RC, no external scans allowed.

Is this inside or out at Coyote Point, and can you use red dot or laser?

Thx Gose (Belmont too)!

[NorCalBusa]

They dont really care about the holster, as long as it's "suitable" e.g. if you show up with an IPSC race holster, they might complain. Yeah, and no Serpas. Most people have more than one holster, so pick one youre comfortable with and most likely to use.

They ask that you bring at least 3 mags for each gun you want to qualify with. Legally owed high caps is fine, but you probably want to leave your drums and 33 rounders at home...

Youre in good hands, the Range Deputies are gun guys and generally very friendly. They care about making sure you learn what you need to learn and that youre safe at the range.

That being said, with a likely insane influx of applications, no one knows if the SD is going to continue doing the classes/quals they way they have in the past, or if they'll find some other solution.

100 years ago I, and about 10/12 others, qualified for San Mateo County at a wide spot in the road. Hwy 92 west of 280 a half mile, some sort of quarry. A couple deputies put it on- totally knew their stuff, made sure everyone stayed safe and got qualified- and we all had a good time. I sure don't think they do it there any longer...not in this day/age.

[gose]

Is this inside or out at Coyote Point, and can you use red dot or laser?

Thx Gose (Belmont too)!

Its at the indoor range and red dots are def ok, and I believe lasers are too. Just make sure they fit in your holster.

[DJD100]

Its at the indoor range and red dots are def ok, and I believe lasers are too. Just make sure they fit in your holster.

Great, thanks!

[Jamboree]

Submitted application yesterday in San Mateo County. Hope everything goes smoothly. Fingers crossed for all law-abiding Calgunners!