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  • ARFrog
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2016
    • 1287

    Originally posted by canadagoose
    That sounds like you had different rules than me for qualification. When I qualified at the end of August, he was clear that outside of the 7 ring (or perhaps outside of the shaded area, my memory is a little fuzzy on that) as well as head shots were -10, not just 0.
    It is really the same thing, but to be clear, it is not an "additional" 10 point penalty.

    Max points per shot is 10 points. 10 points minus 10 for being outside the 7 ring is 0 points to your score.

    At any rate, glad you got it done!


    Another way to look at it:

    x or ten ring = 10 points per shot

    9 ring = -1 point per shot (or +9 points per shot if counting up towards 180)

    8 ring = -2 points per shot (or +8 points per shot if counting up towards 180)

    7 ring = -3 points per shot (or +7 points per shot if counting up towards 180)

    outside the 7 ring or miss = either -10 points per shot if counting down from 180 OR 0 points per shot if counting up towards 180
    Last edited by ARFrog; 11-03-2023, 1:25 PM.
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    • Psychbiker
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 1671

      Originally posted by XDJYo
      I think you're confusing the 2 different ways of scoring.

      The -10 way is to deduct from a perfect score. If the outside the 7 shot was your ONLY shot outside the 10/X ring, the you would only deduct 10 point (-10). 180 perfect score MINUS 10 = 170 total score.

      Or, if you score STARTING from ZERO, then ADD all of the points from each shot, any shot outside the 7 amounts to ADDING zero. Same example above, 17 shots x 10 points each = 170 points. Then, ADD the ZERO gives you a total score of 170.

      Hope this helps.

      ETA: CAPITAL letters for emphasis, not yelling.
      So if all my 18rds are inside the 7 and 8 ring that?s 18x10 = 180?

      I did a few private instructions and my cold baseline was 136 and was 152 or something after the hour instruction. Not sure how that all adds up.

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      • XDJYo
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2012
        • 6145

        Originally posted by BigKat707
        I train CCW for Contra Costa County and spoke to Lt Hoekwater today about this same thing. He responded, "if they were approved for their CCW permit and we have not completed the permitting process by Jan 2024, they will be required to get the additional training."
        Originally posted by WithinReason
        This is terrible! I hope that a judge issues a stay of SB2.
        Originally posted by BigKat707
        Contra Costa has always said the training certificate is good for 2 years, however, with the change of SB2, unless a stay is put in place it will no longer be accepted. Everyone that hasn't finished the CCW process will have to start the training process over. Which means you don't just take another 8 hour class, you take a full 16-hour class since the requirements in the training have changed as well. Part of that training will be a 1-hour training on Mental Health that CANNOT be taught by the firearms instructor. So expect costs to go up on that training while they find mental health professionals who will come teach it.
        For those of you getting close to the 1/1/2024 SB2 date, check out the other thread here particularly Post #55 from DVRJon. Looks like a little ray of sunshine.


        See SB 2; Section 22 regarding CA PEN 26205:
        Quote:
        SEC. 22. Section 26205 of the Penal Code is amended to read:

        26205. (a) Unless otherwise specified in subdivision (b), the licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this chapter is approved or denied. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 120 days of receiving the completed application for a new license, or 30 days after receipt of the information and report from the Department of Justice described in paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 26185, whichever is later. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 120 days of receiving the completed application for a license renewal.

        (b) In determining whether to approve or deny an application for a new license or a license renewal the licensing authority shall apply the statutory requirements in effect as of the date the licensing authority received the completed application for a new license or a license renewal, except for the requirements in former paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Sections 26150, 26155, and 26170. {Those are Good Cause requirements}

        For applications for a new license submitted prior to the effective date of the act that added this subdivision, the licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this chapter is approved or denied within 120 days of receiving the completed application, or 30 days after receipt of the information and report from the Department of Justice described in paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 26185, whichever is later.

        (c) If the license is denied, the notice shall state which requirement was not satisfied.
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        • Psychbiker
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 1671

          Originally posted by ARFrog
          It is really the same thing, but to be clear, it is not an "additional" 10 point penalty.

          Max points per shot is 10 points. 10 points minus 10 for being outside the 7 ring is 0 points to your score.

          At any rate, glad you got it done!


          Another way to look at it:

          x or ten ring = 10 points per shot

          9 ring = -1 point per shot (or +9 points per shot if counting up towards 180)

          8 ring = -2 points per shot (or +8 points per shot if counting up towards 180)

          7 ring = -3 points per shot (or +7 points per shot if counting up towards 180)

          outside the 7 ring or miss = either -10 points per shot if counting down from 180 OR 0 points per shot if counting up towards 180
          This helps thank you.

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          • ARFrog
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2016
            • 1287

            Originally posted by Psychbiker
            So if all my 18rds are inside the 7 and 8 ring that?s 18x10 = 180?

            I did a few private instructions and my cold baseline was 136 and was 152 or something after the hour instruction. Not sure how that all adds up.
            No, you would only have 180 if you shot 18 rounds in the X or ten ring. 18 x 10 points per X ring shot = 180

            Let's say you have 9 rounds in the 8 ring and 9 rounds in the 7 ring. This would be:

            9 x -2 = -18

            9 x -3 = -27

            So, 180 - 18 (8 ring deductions) - 27 (7 ring deductions) = 135 total score


            Just like math class, if you want to check your work:

            9 x 8 points each for 8 ring = 72

            9 x 7 points each for 7 ring = 63

            72 + 63 = 135 total score


            Class dismissed...
            Last edited by ARFrog; 11-03-2023, 5:30 PM. Reason: math
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            • vandal
              Veteran Member
              • Sep 2007
              • 2781

              Isn't this the target they use?

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              • ARFrog
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2016
                • 1287

                Originally posted by vandal
                Isn't this the target they use?

                target 3.jpg

                white outer area and head no points, then 7, then 8, then 9, then inner circle with white rectangle 10 pts per shot
                Last edited by ARFrog; 11-03-2023, 7:59 PM.
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                • Gun Kraft
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Jul 2014
                  • 804

                  Math is hard. Here's how I quickly score this target:
                  1. You need to score 7pts. with every shot
                  2. If a shot is in the 8-ring, you're +1. +2 in the 9-ring and +3 in the 10-ring
                  3. If you miss a shot you're -7pts.

                  Example: The first six shots I shoot are one 7, two 8, one 9 and two 10s. I'm up 10pts. That means on the next string I could miss 1 shot and still be up 3pts.
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                  • 74elko
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 442

                    Their standards are easy to pass and the target area is large.
                    But for the love of God, please know how to operate your firearm, show up on time and take the occasion seriously.
                    I've qualified twice and both times there were people who honestly were not ready to qualify... Let alone carry. Know how to put on a holster, load, operate, and clear malfunctions. On both occasions I saw people fail due to the before mentioned reasons.
                    The range staff are very fair and seem to be on our side. They're helpful and pretty chill.
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                    • WithinReason
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 746

                      Originally posted by 74elko
                      Their standards are easy to pass and the target area is large.
                      But for the love of God, please know how to operate your firearm, show up on time and take the occasion seriously.
                      I've qualified twice and both times there were people who honestly were not ready to qualify... Let alone carry. Know how to put on a holster, load, operate, and clear malfunctions. On both occasions I saw people fail due to the before mentioned reasons.
                      The range staff are very fair and seem to be on our side. They're helpful and pretty chill.
                      Agreed. The day I qualified, the RSO told us that safety was key to having a successful day. When we finished firing, he walked back and forth on the range, looked at our targets, and said, "Everybody passed". There was no adding up scores.
                      Last edited by WithinReason; 11-04-2023, 11:25 AM.
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                      • DJD100
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 532

                        Originally posted by WithinReason
                        Agreed. The day I qualified, the RSO told us that safety was key to having a successful day. When we finished firing, he walked back and forth on the range, looked at our targets, and said, "Everybody passed". There was no adding up scores.
                        Right, they just count any misses.

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                        • ARFrog
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2016
                          • 1287

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                          • Zuesisgreat
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2022
                            • 13

                            Hey all, couple quick questions: Is the current timeline for approval about four months? For reference, I submitted my application on Oct. 1 and livescan was complete on Oct. 4 and 9. With SB2 potential coming up, I'm wondering if I should complete the class now or just wait.

                            Also, is there a way to change a firearm listed on the initial application, or is that something to be done on renewal? Thanks!

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                            • huntinrookie
                              Junior Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 70

                              current time line 10-14 months, I started in December and live scan in January and still not approved. I was told last week not to take a class this year unless approved already.

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                              • Zuesisgreat
                                Junior Member
                                • Nov 2022
                                • 13

                                Oh wow, I was really off. Thanks for the heads up!

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