RAW transfer via PPT

[TURNKEY13]

[hermosabeach]

Find a FFL who is licensed to deal with raw.

[TURNKEY13]

Thanks, guess i'll let my fingers do the walkin.

[G-forceJunkie]

You can't PPT a RAW. PPT is person to person in California. You cannot sell a RAW to any person in california. You can sell it out of state or to a dealer with a AW permit. Once the FFL with AW permit owns it, they can transfer to to anyone who is legal to buy a RAW, such as a cop with a department letter.

[TURNKEY13]

So the weapon must be sold to a dealer, for say $1, then the transfer can be conducted, correct? I guess its semantics. Thank you. I'll be making some calls.

[acespawnshop]

So the weapon must be sold to a dealer, for say $1, then the transfer can be conducted, correct? I guess its semantics.

This isn't semantics, if you have a RAW and you sell it to a dealer with an AW permit, they can't in turn sell it to your friend here in CA. Unless your friend is purchasing it as LEO with a letter from his department head saying its to be used for work. If your friend who wants it is just an average dude it's not something you can sell to him in any way here in CA.

You can sell it yourself out of state. Like on gunbroker and ship it to a FFL.

[fizux]

I would think that with a Dept letter, one could purchase a RAW via PPT. I do not think the seller is stuck with using an AW 01FFL as a straw buyer, and the the sale can be basically cash/carry as long as it happens in front of the the AW 01FFL's DROS computer (assuming the same dept ltr exempts the 10-day wait).
I'm relying, in part, upon PC 30630(b)(1).

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=30001-31000&file=30600-30675

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I would think that with a Dept letter, one could purchase a RAW via PPT. I do not think the seller is stuck with using an AW 01FFL as a straw buyer, and the the sale can be basically cash/carry as long as it happens in front of the the AW 01FFL's DROS computer (assuming the same dept ltr exempts the 10-day wait).
I'm relying, in part, upon PC 30630(b)(1).
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=30600-30675

While in CA, owners of RAWs only have two options for transferring their RAW:
1. Sell it to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit. [PC 30910]
2. Surrender it to a LE agency for destruction. [PC 31100]

Because CA laws prohibits the private party transfer of RAWs, the OP can sell his RAW to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit. That CA FFL dealer can then sell it to whoever is eligible at whatever price they want.


Penal Code 30910
Except as provided in Section 30925, no assault weapon possessed pursuant to this article may be sold or transferred on or after January 1, 1990, to anyone within this state other than to a licensed gun dealer or as provided in Section 31100.

Penal Code 30925
A person moving into this state, otherwise in lawful possession of an assault weapon, shall do one of the following:
(a) Prior to bringing the assault weapon into this state, that person shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6.
(b) The person shall cause the assault weapon to be delivered to a licensed gun dealer in this state in accordance with Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. If the person obtains a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6, the dealer shall redeliver that assault weapon to the person. If the licensed gun dealer is prohibited from delivering the assault weapon to a person pursuant to this section, the dealer shall possess or dispose of the assault weapon as allowed by this chapter.

Penal Code 31100
Any individual may arrange in advance to relinquish an assault weapon or a .50 BMG rifle to a police or sheriff's department. The assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle shall be transported in accordance with Sections 16850 and 25610.

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Hey all, after searching for 20 or so minutes without success, my question is, how does one transfer a RAW via PPT? Per CDOJ, RAW’s can only be “sold” to an authorized AW dealer, or out of state. With a department letter, couldn’t one go to an authorized dealer and do the PPT, or does the dealer actually have to buy the weapon prior to transferring it?
Thanks

So the weapon must be sold to a dealer, for say $1, then the transfer can be conducted, correct? I guess its semantics. Thank you. I'll be making some calls.

No semantics.
CA laws prohibits the private party transfer of RAWs. [PC 30910]
You can sell it to a CA FFL dealer for $1, they in turn can then sell it for whatever price they want and to whoever is legally eligible because it is now legally their property to dispose of.

[TURNKEY13]

Thanks for the info. You are all correct about the transfer needing to go through an AW dealer via purchace/buy back. Which i really dont get since the buyer has a department letter, but whatever. The part i really dont get though, is per the transfering dealer, per CDOJ, the weapon must be held for 30 days!!! WTH!! The new owner has a department letter exempting him from the 10 day wait, but not on RAW's?? Makes no sence, but yes i know its California. That one just seems reeealy stupid!

[Librarian]

Thanks for the info. You are all correct about the transfer needing to go through an AW dealer via purchace/buy back. Which i really dont get since the buyer has a department letter, but whatever. The part i really dont get though, is per the transfering dealer, per CDOJ, the weapon must be held for 30 days!!! WTH!! The new owner has a department letter exempting him from the 10 day wait, but not on RAW's?? Makes no sence, but yes i know its California. That one just seems reeealy stupid!

Sounds like the dealer is treating it as a 'consignment sale' - this used to be explained at http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/fdasoverview , but I get a 'you are not authorized' message today. (FDAS was rolled into DROS for 2014). But it's Business and Professions Code

21636. (a) Every secondhand dealer and coin dealer shall retain in
his or her possession for a period of 30 days all tangible personal
property reported under Sections 21628, 21629, and 21630, and
commencing July 1, 2010, Section 21628.2. The 30-day holding period
with respect to this tangible personal property shall commence with
the date the report of its acquisition was made to the chief of
police or to the sheriff by the secondhand dealer and coin dealer.

[TURNKEY13]

Thanks Library, i bet thats more for pawn shops when dealing with potential stolen property. Which this is definitely not. Frustrating.