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  • #31
    Capybara
    CGSSA Coordinator
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2012
    • 14829

    Don't forget to log in to your CFARs account at least monthly as it has a habit of forgetting and or resetting your password if you don't. If you lose your password or it changes on you, it can be months to try to get even an automated response, much less communicate with a human with BOF. No access to your CFARs account, no renewal on time and then you go back down the expensive 40 day rabbit hole of a new COE. Also, I learned that if you held a COE at least within the past decade, you already have a CFARs account and ID. And they won't tell you what it is. My last one expired before CFARs existed so I started a new account. BOF let me know that I already had an account, even though I never started one but they somehow transferred my info from my old COE that I did through the mail and they would not let me start a new CFARs account. After days of detective work, I finally figured out my old COE account number, which was all under my old address so I had to "convert" my old mail-in COE account in CFARs, cancel the "new" account, it was a nightmare and took weeks.

    So the take away is, if you have ever held a COE, even many years ago, and haven't renewed for years, you already have an account on CFARs, you just never knew it, unless you started it after CFARs existed. Dealing with them to try to get all of this ironed out was a multi-week nightmare.
    Last edited by Capybara; 05-23-2022, 5:15 PM.
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    • #32
      SilveradoColt21
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Sep 2021
      • 2439

      Originally posted by Capybara
      Don't forget to log in to your CFARs account at least monthly as it has a habit of forgetting and or resetting your password if you don't. If you lose your password or it changes on you, it can be months to try to get even an automated response, much less communicate with a human with BOF. No access to your CFARs account, no renewal on time and then you go back down the expensive 40 day rabbit hole of a new COE. Also, I learned that if you held a COE at least within the past decade, you already have a CFARs account and ID. And they won't tell you what it is. My last one expired before CFARs existed so I started a new account. BOF let me know that I already had an account, even though I never started one but they somehow transferred my info from my old COE that I did through the mail and they would not let me start a new CFARs account. After days of detective work, I finally figured out my old COE account number, which was all under my old address so I had to "convert" my old mail-in COE account in CFARs, cancel the "new" account, it was a nightmare and took weeks.

      So the take away is, if you have ever held a COE, even many years ago, and haven't renewed for years, you already have an account on CFARs, you just never knew it, unless you started it after CFARs existed. Dealing with them to try to get all of this ironed out was a multi-week nightmare.
      Good thing I log in every day to check my COE progress however I am sure that will change when I successfully get it.
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      • #33
        Capybara
        CGSSA Coordinator
        CGN Contributor
        • Feb 2012
        • 14829

        Originally posted by SilveradoColt21
        Good thing I log in every day to check my COE progress however I am sure that will change when I successfully get it.
        Put a reminder on your calendar to log in to CFARs at least once a month or bad, inconvenient and frustrating things will happen when your renewal time comes up. It's stupid and ridiculous that we have to do that but remember, the CADOJ and BOF have a mandate to make owning guns legally as excruciatingly painful and humiliating as possible to weed out the casual gun owner from the process.

        Only us hardcore and stubborn gun owners will counter their gotchas and traps with doing things like logging in monthly, even though we shouldn't have to. When I was going through this early this year, my emails to them didn't even get an auto response until 2-4 months later and it was a just a bot. Basically, you have to go through the whole thing by yourself and a little help from Calguns. The BOF isn't going to lift a finger to even communicate with you.
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        • #34
          -hanko
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jul 2002
          • 14174

          Originally posted by faris1984
          Can someone plz tell ne what the purpose of getting coe and ffl 03?
          Read the post just before yours.
          True wealth is time. Time to enjoy life.

          Life's journey is not to arrive safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "holy schit...what a ride"!!

          Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in. Mark Twain

          A man's soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog. Charles Doran

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          • #35
            Regla
            Member
            • Jul 2021
            • 140

            I got an email from CFARS stating that my application is incomplete and to send the reason why I want a COE and to send my ffl03. Sent the requested reason the next day and I still havnt received any update.
            Application - 8/2021
            Interview - 6/17/2022
            CA Completed - 06/18/2022
            FBI Completed - 06/18/2022
            Firearms Completed - 08/07/2022
            Training Completed - 10/22/2022
            Pick up - 01/18/2023

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            • #36
              Regla
              Member
              • Jul 2021
              • 140

              Finally got my FFL03 and COE. Once i got my FFL03, I sent emailed my license number to cfars and got it the same day
              Application - 8/2021
              Interview - 6/17/2022
              CA Completed - 06/18/2022
              FBI Completed - 06/18/2022
              Firearms Completed - 08/07/2022
              Training Completed - 10/22/2022
              Pick up - 01/18/2023

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              • #37
                3S16
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 799

                Thank You for the tip on logging into CFARS monthly Capybara. I just went through the hassle of having to reset my password. I'm a new COE/FFL03 recipient. I thought my password was permanent. I had no idea my password was a "use it or lose it" proposition.
                Consider my calendar reminded!

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                • #38
                  Capybara
                  CGSSA Coordinator
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 14829

                  Originally posted by 3S16
                  Thank You for the tip on logging into CFARS monthly Capybara. I just went through the hassle of having to reset my password. I'm a new COE/FFL03 recipient. I thought my password was permanent. I had no idea my password was a "use it or lose it" proposition.
                  Consider my calendar reminded!
                  Hoops we have to jump through or we are punished.
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                  • #39
                    sfhondapilot
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 665

                    Originally posted by Capybara
                    Put a reminder on your calendar to log in to CFARs at least once a month or bad, inconvenient and frustrating things will happen when your renewal time comes up.
                    In the CFARS user manual, section 3.7 (page 14 of 59) it states that passwords for CFARS accounts are set to expire every 90 days.
                    David

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                    • #40
                      Capybara
                      CGSSA Coordinator
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 14829

                      Originally posted by sfhondapilot
                      In the CFARS user manual, section 3.7 (page 14 of 59) it states that passwords for CFARS accounts are set to expire every 90 days.
                      I even read that whole monstrosity but that line slipped out of my memory. So I guess log in every 2.5 months.
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                      • #41
                        tbs2002
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • May 2020
                        • 86

                        FFL Sent in 7/23
                        ATF received 7/25
                        ATF took $30 7/26
                        ATF sent back app because I missed a line (oops) 8/26
                        ATF app sent back 8/29
                        ATF FFL03 received 9/6

                        COE applied 7/23
                        COE emailed about FFL# 8/25
                        Emailed COE about FFL# in progress 8/26
                        Filled out online COE form stating FFL# in progress 9/2
                        COE received 9/6

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                        • #42
                          cheapie408
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2020
                          • 76

                          I just got an email from COE asking for my ffl 03#. I just respond to them saying its in progress.

                          Does your FFL just show up or is there a way to check the status?

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                          • #43
                            Quiet
                            retired Goon
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 30241

                            Originally posted by cheapie408
                            I just got an email from COE asking for my ffl 03#. I just respond to them saying its in progress.

                            Does your FFL just show up or is there a way to check the status?
                            It just shows up.

                            Contact BATFE (Email: FFLC@atf.gov) and ask them about the status.

                            Have when your payment was cashed/redeemed on hand, they will need it to track down your status.
                            ^Bank/credit card records showing payment was redeemed.
                            Last edited by Quiet; 09-20-2022, 8:40 PM.
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                            • #44
                              cheapie408
                              Junior Member
                              • Mar 2020
                              • 76

                              Looks like they are working pretty fast about 4 weeks and I got my FFL03

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                              • #45
                                Thabaum
                                Junior Member
                                • Feb 2023
                                • 2

                                Mailed in FFL February 14th,
                                February 16th credit card charged and also applied for COE online
                                March 7th California Firearms Application Reporting System (CFARS) Incomplete Notice
                                Emailed them back told them I applied for FFL03, and hour later another email telling me to log in and read notices, COE was approved
                                March 9th FFL arrived in Mail

                                Thank you all for the info. Was much easier than I thought it would be.

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