Ammo Sales / Transfer on 1/1/2018

[ugimports]

So if they're there when UPS shows up it's $5.00 if they're not there we can charge whatever storage fee we want?

Just throwing this out there. Under the financial code that regulates pawn shops we can charge storage fees based on cubic feet. Maybe everyone should adopt your storage policy based on cubic feet not price or round count.

Hmm...I like the idea of charging based on space taken up. Since that's really the issue for us (limited space).

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Just throwing this out there. Under the financial code that regulates pawn shops we can charge storage fees based on cubic feet. Maybe everyone should adopt your storage policy based on cubic feet not price or round count.

Financial Code 21200.6:

(a) In addition to other allowed charges, at the time property is redeemed or a replacement loan is issued pursuant to Section 21201.5, the pawnbroker may collect a handling and storage charge for pawned articles. The maximum amount that may be charged pursuant to this section is in accordance with the following schedule:
(1) One dollar ($1) for any article that can be contained within one cubic foot.
(2) Five dollars ($5) for any article that cannot be contained within one cubic foot but can be contained within three cubic feet.
(3) Ten dollars ($10) for any article that cannot be contained within three cubic feet but can be contained within six cubic feet.
(4) Twenty dollars ($20) for any article that cannot be contained within six cubic feet and one dollar ($1) for each additional cubic foot in excess of six cubic feet.
(b) For purposes of this section, cubic feet shall be determined by multiplying the width of an article, at its greatest width, by the depth of an article, at its greatest depth, by the height of an article, at its greatest height.

Of course, a law about pawnbrokers is not necessarily binding on storage fees for ammunition.

[shootsocal_dave]

So after 30 days we can consider the ammunition abandoned?

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So after 30 days we can consider the ammunition abandoned?

No.

Everyone keeps quoting Penal Code section 30364 from SB1235, which is NOT law. Prop 63 superseded most of SB1235. So "An ammunition vendor is not required to house ammunition orders longer than 30 days" is NOT law.

[Nardo1895]

I suspect those saying we'll have to tax internet ammo transfers are going to be proven right, but if I'm the retailer why am I not making 10% or so on the sale? I suppose I could try that via a storage fee but I'd have a lot of unhappy ex-customers if I added that on too.

[TripleT]

Received my CFD renewal today dated 12-21-17 along with an Ammunition Vendor License and Large Cap Mag permit with valid dates of Jan 1, 2018 - Dec 31, 2018.

[Socalspeed]

Received my CFD renewal today dated 12-21-17 along with an Ammunition Vendor License and Large Cap Mag permit with valid dates of Jan 1, 2018 - Dec 31, 2018.

Received the same today as well as new tags.

[SRedmon]

Sounds like I'm just as confused as everyone else. I don't understand which law or set of rules/laws we are supposed to follow:

The ammo dealer regulations that were approved on 1/3/18 states that per PC 30312 dealers can charge $5 for private party transactions that were immediately delivered and makes no mention of vendor transfers.

Now, PC 30312 is repealed from SB-1235. In its place, PC 30364 says $10 for vendor sales and PC 30366 says $10 for PPTs.

So what do you follow?

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The ammo dealer regulations that were approved on 1/3/18 states that per PC 30312 dealers can charge $5 for private party transactions that were immediately delivered and makes no mention of vendor transfers.

Now, PC 30312 is repealed from SB-1235. In its place, PC 30364 says $10 for vendor sales and PC 30366 says $10 for PPTs.

So what do you follow?

PC30312 is law. PC30312 was created by Prop 63. PC30364 is not law. PC30364 was part of SB1235 and said it would not be law if Prop 63 passed.

[shootsocal_dave]

Just got my Ammo, Large Cap and CFD Letter back

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[carrywisely_ca]

[QUOTE=ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ;21116399]Since people might not know the text of the ammunition vendor regulations.

I think you posted the DOJ's proposed text.
The OAL adopted rules differ just a bit:

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/regs/adopted-text.pdf

The term of an ammunition vendor license is one year from the date of issuance.If the purchaser will be present for immediate delivery of the ammunition, the fee shall not
exceed five dollars ($5).

[SRedmon]

PC30312 is law. PC30312 was created by Prop 63. PC30364 is not law. PC30364 was part of SB1235 and said it would not be law if Prop 63 passed.

Got it.

So there is no law on the transfer fee for internet vendor sales, and the law for PPT is $5 if delivered immediately.

[ugimports]

Got it.

So there is no law on the transfer fee for internet vendor sales, and the law for PPT is $5 if delivered immediately.

Yes, I believe that is correct.