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Has anyone received instructions on what we're supposed to do on 1/1/2018? I remember reading the BGC portion doesn't take effect until 2019. Is it business as usual for us between 1/1/2018 and BGC in 2019?
E.g., no extra paperwork, no extra tracking, nothing, but hand over the ammo and collect payment?
I've tried contacting DOJ and have been on hold up to 30 mins each time and couldn't wait any longer. I have a lot of customers asking if I can receive ammo for them.
Currently I receive for customers and leave it up front for them to pick-up. Can I still do that if I already know they are > 21? Is that still considered FTF if the receptionist is delivering the ammo? (I'm guessing no).
If they do see us directly, do I need to do anything more than just hand them their ammo?
Not sure if anyone got any info or saw anything I missed.
Thanks
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I heard back from CA DOJ (in writing) and received the following info:
Q. When processing internet transfers of ammunition for customers what are the fee limits?
$10 per transaction, per PC 30364
Q. What information is required to be on the receipts for ammo sales or internet transfers to customers?
A. Nothing at this time. Record keeping doesn’t start until July 1, 2019. PC 30352 states what information needs to be collected and recorded.
Q. Are there *any* records we have to keep on ammunition sales until the new system is in place in July 2019?
A. No. You should check to make sure there is no local ordinance that requires you to maintain ammunition sales records.
Q. Previously in 2017 when we sold ammo our receipts would simply say "Box of 9mm" or similar. I wanted to confirm that was still acceptable until the new requirements in July 2019. I also wanted to ensure I did not need any other paperwork to process ammunition sales.
A. At this point in time, that is still acceptable for ammunition sales.
--- Received answers from a different DOJ rep today 1/9/2018 --
Question 1: Internet sales are addressed in section 4263(b). In short, you may charge a storage fee that you and your customer agree on. We do not regulate storage fees.
Question 2: At this point we do not require specific info to be recorded on receipts.
Question 3: At this point we do not require you to keep any records of ammo sales. However, it may be a good idea for you to use a database, Excel spreadsheet, etc. and form a habit of recording information in anticipation of regulations that will be implemented in July 2019. Consider collecting the customer’s name, copy of their ID, date of purchase, make, caliber, and quantity of ammo. Remember, we do not currently require this but it may be a good idea to get in the habit of asking for this info.
--- Received feedback today 1/11/2018
Basically I was asking what happens during a PPT Ammo Transfer
Me: Does the seller hand me the ammo and then I push it over to the buyer?
DOJ: There are no requirements stating that you have to physically handle or touch the ammo. The seller can place it on the counter, or the floor, and the buyer can take it from the counter or floor.
Me: If it's a lot of ammo do I have to handle it or do I just need to witness the seller handing it over to the buyer?
DOJ: The customer can place it on the counter (or, if there is a lot of ammo, it can be left on the floor).
Me: I'd prefer to not have to lift heavy boxes of ammo just to hand it from the seller to the buyer if not required.
DOJ: You do not have to handle the ammo.
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Basically you just have to watch the seller give ammo to buyer and then it's done.
E.g., no extra paperwork, no extra tracking, nothing, but hand over the ammo and collect payment?
I've tried contacting DOJ and have been on hold up to 30 mins each time and couldn't wait any longer. I have a lot of customers asking if I can receive ammo for them.
Currently I receive for customers and leave it up front for them to pick-up. Can I still do that if I already know they are > 21? Is that still considered FTF if the receptionist is delivering the ammo? (I'm guessing no).
If they do see us directly, do I need to do anything more than just hand them their ammo?
Not sure if anyone got any info or saw anything I missed.
Thanks
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I heard back from CA DOJ (in writing) and received the following info:
Q. When processing internet transfers of ammunition for customers what are the fee limits?
$10 per transaction, per PC 30364
Q. What information is required to be on the receipts for ammo sales or internet transfers to customers?
A. Nothing at this time. Record keeping doesn’t start until July 1, 2019. PC 30352 states what information needs to be collected and recorded.
Q. Are there *any* records we have to keep on ammunition sales until the new system is in place in July 2019?
A. No. You should check to make sure there is no local ordinance that requires you to maintain ammunition sales records.
Q. Previously in 2017 when we sold ammo our receipts would simply say "Box of 9mm" or similar. I wanted to confirm that was still acceptable until the new requirements in July 2019. I also wanted to ensure I did not need any other paperwork to process ammunition sales.
A. At this point in time, that is still acceptable for ammunition sales.
--- Received answers from a different DOJ rep today 1/9/2018 --
Question 1: Internet sales are addressed in section 4263(b). In short, you may charge a storage fee that you and your customer agree on. We do not regulate storage fees.
Question 2: At this point we do not require specific info to be recorded on receipts.
Question 3: At this point we do not require you to keep any records of ammo sales. However, it may be a good idea for you to use a database, Excel spreadsheet, etc. and form a habit of recording information in anticipation of regulations that will be implemented in July 2019. Consider collecting the customer’s name, copy of their ID, date of purchase, make, caliber, and quantity of ammo. Remember, we do not currently require this but it may be a good idea to get in the habit of asking for this info.
--- Received feedback today 1/11/2018
Basically I was asking what happens during a PPT Ammo Transfer
Me: Does the seller hand me the ammo and then I push it over to the buyer?
DOJ: There are no requirements stating that you have to physically handle or touch the ammo. The seller can place it on the counter, or the floor, and the buyer can take it from the counter or floor.
Me: If it's a lot of ammo do I have to handle it or do I just need to witness the seller handing it over to the buyer?
DOJ: The customer can place it on the counter (or, if there is a lot of ammo, it can be left on the floor).
Me: I'd prefer to not have to lift heavy boxes of ammo just to hand it from the seller to the buyer if not required.
DOJ: You do not have to handle the ammo.
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Basically you just have to watch the seller give ammo to buyer and then it's done.
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