Disappointed in LGS for Refusing PPT

[kemasa]

Yes, it is part of the rules, but the rules say that you need to make the PPT request in writing, so unless you do that, ...

[scbauer]

I dunno, but seems like a bit of over reaction. You say they do PPTs, you've done PPTs there. You both called and they confirmed they do PPTs. They just couldn't accommodate more long guns that day.

Or is there some reason you think they were lying and just didn't want to do a PPT because it was a long gun? That wouldn't make sense. At the same time, it doesn't make sense they couldn't squeeze one more gun in their safe.

I guess I'll call the management to discuss before I wrote them off. Maybe you just got a jerk employee and the management needs to know. Guess I feel every business deserves a chance to hear about customer service issues.

All 3 employees stated "we don't do long gun PPT's" and apparently (I didn't see it) there is a sign on the wall that says they don't do long gun PPT's.

But thanks for your opinion... and not reading the thread.

-Scott

[scbauer]

Yes, it is part of the rules, but the rules say that you need to make the PPT request in writing, so unless you do that, ...

I might make the request in writing, and video tape me delivering it. Then it's up to me to decide if I do anything with it... or perhaps they will do the PPT if they think I'll contact DOJ. I still don't plan to do that. I also don't plan to do any business with them.

BUT......... Maybe I'll try to do all my PPT's there in the future, and nothing else, just to inconvenience the store.

[I Swan]

I'm more than happy to do it in writing if a FFL wants to play games. I'll even write it on papayrus or a parchment scroll if they want. But good luck getting me to buy anything from them after that. So many shops add so much Byzantine CYA extra paperwork anyway to a PPT why not add my written request as well?

[Tyke8319]

in writing and contain all of the terms of the transaction, and
(2) Be signed by the transferor and the transferee.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in Penal Code sections 28050 through 28070, a dealer shall process a section 28050 transaction in the same manner as if it were a dealer retail sale.
Note: Authority cited: Section 28060, Penal Code. Reference: Sections 26700, 26710, 26825, 27535, 27545, 28100, 28160, 28165, 28210 and 28215, Penal Code.

A little research would save a lot of frustration prior to requesting a PPT at your local dealer. All CA dealers struggle daily to understand and keep abreast of the myriad of legislative changes in the law; many so they can provide the public an opportunity to exercise their Second Amendment rights.
We don't do it for the "fun" of it...

[Spyder]

Add Rinkor and B2 in Sonoma county to the list of shops that will flat out lie to your face, charge storage fees during the 10 day wait, and tell you that it takes 3 hours to do a ppt DROS, and they may not be able to get to you today.

There's plenty of shops around that I won't ever give another dime to.

[7 Sprig]

Either the shop wants to provide customer service or it doesn't. Making people notify them in writing prior to is like a cop giving a ticket for 1 mile a hr over the speed limit. Yes , its the law but do you realy need it ?

There are plenty of shops that dont make customers jump through extra hoops and welcome a 10$ transaction and make other sales along with it. Some dealers in this thread get that.

If you choose to make your customers do this , its your decision , fortunately people like myself that spend tens of thousands of dollars a year on shooting sports can choose to spend it with someone that does not require it.

[I Swan]

in writing and contain all of the terms of the transaction, and
(2) Be signed by the transferor and the transferee.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in Penal Code sections 28050 through 28070, a dealer shall process a section 28050 transaction in the same manner as if it were a dealer retail sale.
Note: Authority cited: Section 28060, Penal Code. Reference: Sections 26700, 26710, 26825, 27535, 27545, 28100, 28160, 28165, 28210 and 28215, Penal Code.

A little research would save a lot of frustration prior to requesting a PPT at your local dealer. All CA dealers struggle daily to understand and keep abreast of the myriad of legislative changes in the law; many so they can provide the public an opportunity to exercise their Second Amendment rights.
We don't do it for the "fun" of it...

I'm not talking about that I'm talking about extra unnecessary paperwork added to PPT or purchases added by FFL's. Turners is notorious for this. Having to fill out various extra non governmental forms saying stuff like I ain't crazy I haven't killed anyone or didn't rob a bank and that I promise not to turn the gun I bought in to an assault weapon.

[kemasa]

The point about the PPT has to be in writing is that the FFL is not violating the law unless you meet the requirements.

Extra paperwork is often due to the insanity in this Country and not wanting to be sued. If you don't like it, then work to get things changed.

[I Swan]

The point about the PPT has to be in writing is that the FFL is not violating the law unless you meet the requirements.

Extra paperwork is often due to the insanity in this Country and not wanting to be sued. If you don't like it, then work to get things changed.

Just like if a FFL doesn't like it give up the license or work to get things changed. Me, I'm moving and will be glad to be done with DROS and PPT. Some FFL's do go overboard with the extra non governmental forms and it is a small factor in me deciding where to do business.

[kemasa]

Just like if a FFL doesn't like it give up the license or work to get things changed. Me, I'm moving and will be glad to be done with DROS and PPT. Some FFL's do go overboard with the extra non governmental forms and it is a small factor in me deciding where to do business.

There is power in numbers. There are far less FFLs than customers. You should understand why FFLs tend to be a bit paranoid.

[ugimports]

Well, I kind of see both sides of this one.

'A' Dmitri & co. are genuinely decent folks and I'm always happy to give them some business.

'B' I did a PPT in CA Pacifica on July 2nd, and it, was ,crazy(!) in there. So I'm inclined to believe they were out of room in the safe.

'C' it was the FFL's that banded together to ensure all PPT's in CA had to be done through CA FFL's only, not online or via any other venue. Part of the state of CA giving them this revenue stream was CA mandating that in fact they were required to do PPT's.

'D' I have to do another one this weekend so I sure hope they have room in the safe in Pacifica then. Yikes.

Sorry though man, that sucks.

Do we know how many FFLs they polled or where this comes from? I keep hearing this, but have yet to meet a single one of those FFLs that banded together back in the day to pass the PPT law.

I keep seeing people reference it, but not sure if it's rumor or based on some fact of X% of FFLs at the time or just a few big brick & mortar stores.

[kemasa]

Do we know how many FFLs they polled or where this comes from? I keep hearing this, but have yet to meet a single one of those FFLs that banded together back in the day to pass the PPT law.

I keep seeing people reference it, but not sure if it's rumor or based on some fact of X% of FFLs at the time or just a few big brick & mortar stores.

I also would like to see some proof of that since no one ever asked me. I seriously doubt it since the fee is limited to $10 and I really doubt that FFLs would push for that. It seems more like Urban Legend to me.

[smak28]

Well, I kind of see both sides of this one.

'A' Dmitri & co. are genuinely decent folks and I'm always happy to give them some business.

'B' I did a PPT in CA Pacifica on July 2nd, and it, was ,crazy(!) in there. So I'm inclined to believe they were out of room in the safe.

'C' it was the FFL's that banded together to ensure all PPT's in CA had to be done through CA FFL's only, not online or via any other venue. Part of the state of CA giving them this revenue stream was CA mandating that in fact they were required to do PPT's.

'D' I have to do another one this weekend so I sure hope they have room in the safe in Pacifica then. Yikes.

Sorry though man, that sucks.

I like Dmitri & his father at the Pacifica location. However, he wasn't at the Pleasant Hill location that day I drove out there to do a PPT. The guy there told me directly "We don't do PPTs for long guns anymore. You have to take it elsewhere." That's b.s.!

[Condorguns]

I just ppt'd 2 stripped lowers. Went to the counter with the buyer, the gal behind the counter asks "Can I help you?" and I tell her I would like to ppt these stripped lowers to this gentleman next to me. She looked at me and rolled her eyes, looks at the buyer and says to him, "We do have stripped lowers for sale for $69.00"...

I thought that comment along with the eye roll was very rude and that will cost them my buisness from now on...

I have had to bite my tongue and censor my staff about pointing out price difference on PPT and online dealer sales. It's not my job to police my customers spending or to point out when they have made a mistake. My job is to process the transaction.