Sad Situation

[1CavScout]

I don't trust anyone in a peace officer's costume, and try to avoid them as a rule.

Sounds good. Don't call when you need help. I always found it kind of funny when the hood rats would get into trouble and call 911. These same people hated the PoPo, but when their asses were in trouble they had no problem crying out for help.

[SimonBirch]

Ive been a civilian, Marine, civilian again, LEO and now a civilian. Ill be honest with all of you, theres a lot of work to be done. Theres a lot of trust to be gained and its because the system is effed up. Continue to hire these dummies straight out of college with no life experience, give them a badge and they act like God's gift. Thats one source of the problem. Racism is still very much alive within law enforcement and its sad. People dont whistleblow because they are in fear of losing their job. It's not easy when you have a family to take care of. I really hope that in time, LEO's and the community can work together, instead of having an us vs them attitude.

[WyattandDoc]

I don't trust anyone in a peace officer's costume, and try to avoid them as a rule.

Until you call 911. See you there and I will help you with anything you need. Family turmoil, I have some advice and resources. Need a ride somewhere, I'll turn into a taxi cab driver. Life threatened, I'll turn into a soldier. Depressed, I'll talk to you for any amount of time you need. Problem with your neighbor, I'll turn into a mediator. Kid drowning, I'll turn into a Lifeguard. Just let me know, I'll help you out.

[epilepticninja]

I don't trust anyone in a peace officer's costume, and try to avoid them as a rule.

63 posts and this is all you got to say? Stafoo.

[micro911]

One of the problems I have seen in the past was that the new/youngsters try to mimic the more senior and experienced officers without understanding how and why the senior officer does certain things. The young ones think they are tough and maybe they think they can man handle the situation. There are a lot more to it than what they see.

I try to tell the new ones that "instead of run down there and do one, let's walk down and do all." Oh, well, I don't know if this is correct analogy.

[micro911]

63 posts and this is all you got to say? Stafoo.

Come on.. This is a free country with the freedom of speech. We protect their freedom of speech, also. I certainly did it when I served in the USMC.

[SloChicken]

The people working the front desks at the Sheriff's substations are just civilian county workers. They are not connected to LE at all. For the most part they are low paid, low skilled workers. Most of them have not had training in rolling prints. They get on the job training for these tasks. Just FYI...

ha, yeah, I was a little perturbed after leaving there, and when I wrote my post once back at my desk.

I kind of knew she was not a Deputy, but she has a name badge associated with the Sheriff. And she is sitting behind the glass acting as a representative (which would piss me off if I heard and saw her interact in that fashion and I she represented an organization of which I was a member).

I understand that many people she interacts with may be "socially challenged" and less than good Samaritans, but when I hand her this paperwork that states the reason I am having this done she should figure out that if she doesn't f it up it will probably go smoothly. Furthermore, it would be a real treat to see her act with some sort of cursory courtesies.
Stuff like that makes thing go so much more easily. On both sides.
You know, things like,
Hello?
How may I help you?
You know. Normal stuff. Like a normal person ...
She deserves the same courtesy. Just because the last guy was an arse, doesn't mean you punch the next.

In my job we call it a magic cloak.
Explain very sad things to very sad families and console them.
leave that room
Take off cloak - put new one one.
Deep breath,
Smile
Walk in to see next patient with a smile on your face.

Like that.


I don't mean it to be a slam on SD Sheriff, or LE for that matter. Just a little insight on what the public (me this time) thinks after repeated instances that are like I described when we interact with LE - even if other were good interactions, they seem to be forgotten when bad ones occur. Human nature I guess ...

Shouldn't be that way. I expect you guys feel the same too - but I guess it is a pretty unwinnable battle.

Thus the paycheck.

[micro911]

ha, yeah, I was a little perturbed after leaving there, and when I wrote my post once back at my desk.

I kind of knew she was not a Deputy, but she has a name badge associated with the Sheriff. And she is sitting behind the glass acting as a representative (which would piss me off if I heard and saw her interact in that fashion and I she represented an organization of which I was a member).

I understand that many people she interacts with may be "socially challenged" and less than good Samaritans, but when I hand her this paperwork that states the reason I am having this done she should figure out that if she doesn't f it up it will probably go smoothly. Furthermore, it would be a real treat to see her act with some sort of cursory courtesies.
Stuff like that makes thing go so much more easily. On both sides.
You know, things like,
Hello?
How may I help you?
You know. Normal stuff. Like a normal person ...
She deserves the same courtesy. Just because the last guy was an arse, doesn't mean you punch the next.

In my job we call it a magic cloak.
Explain very sad things to very sad families and console them.
leave that room
Take off cloak - put new one one.
Deep breath,
Smile
Walk in to see next patient with a smile on your face.

Like that.


I don't mean it to be a slam on SD Sheriff, or LE for that matter. Just a little insight on what the public (me this time) thinks after repeated instances that are like I described when we interact with LE - even if other were good interactions, they seem to be forgotten when bad ones occur. Human nature I guess ...

Shouldn't be that way. I expect you guys feel the same too - but I guess it is a pretty unwinnable battle.

Thus the paycheck.

I noticed many civilians working in public offices act like they own you. I think they want to exercise their "authority", maybe. I see them at a DMV, post office, city offices, etc. Many times, once they found out that I am an LEO, they back down a little. I had a particular encounter at the downtown immigrations office about 27 years ago. I still remember the guy's face. I always wanted to see him on the street one day.

I don't like to go to a post office near my house, because this "lady" acts like a #%&*@#!!! I try to avoid her as much as possible when I go to the post office or go to another one when I can.

I just don't know why they act like that.

[jdubs71]

I want to preface this comment as I don't feel it applies to all, or most LE persons, but this was my experience this morning.

I had to go to my local Sheriff Substation to have a federal fingerprint form filled out. When I got to the desk, the woman (presumably not a LEO, but a civilian representative/desk worker) had an absolutely horrible attitude, was contentious and short with me in regards just the most basic of conversation with regard to my request.
She was abrupt and rough when manhandling my hand to do the fingerprinting. I am a 6" 240lb guy so she wasn't hurting my wittle feewings, but still, she was way to rough to be treating someone that is entirely compliant and actually making the request for the fingerprinting service - which I paid for btw ... It was more like "what the hell lady, something get into your cereal today ???"
She had horrible technique, and a worse attitude. God forbid she had to get her keester up of her poor overloaded chair. It was quite apparent her (lack of) technique was awful and she was having difficulty performing my fingerprinting she smudged/ruined it twice. As she was screwing up my right hand fingerprints by dragging my hand toward her on my left, I suggested instead of dragging my whole body around her, that maybe we switch sides so my arm wouldn't be getting wrapped around her (obese) body as she was performing the printing.
She said she was right handed and would not do it. Instead, she stammered "do you want me to get someone else?" To which I said that would be fine.
She didn't.

She was so busy being rude, she didn't even finish the printing procedure correctly and I had to remind her that she was not done, that she had to witness my signature, and she had to be the one sealing the envelope.

We finished, and not so much as a "you are done!" She just waddled away.

What an incredible B.
I felt like telling her, "If you don't like your job, go get a different one lady. Nobody is forcing you to be like that".

This is for a federal contract and was the Federal Fingerprinting form. (FF258 - from what I recall).

I am not a criminal. I am a uniformed civil servant also, but was not in uniform as this is a personal duty not affiliated with my current employer.

Instances like this are just a glimpse of public interactions with LE entities that degrade any positive attitudes the public (myself in this instance) have about our LE personnel and the ubiquitous aversion to any contact with them whatsoever. Sadly, I am in that same boat.

Kind of like this.
I stand behind LEOs and the job they do, but I do not want to be standing in front of them while they do it ( in other words, I don't want to be the subject of their contact).


As a matter of my job, daily I too interact with with challenging people with great regularity (Inmates, Pt in custody, 5150s, altered, combative, ETOH/Drugs, and so on.).

I understand it can be frustrating. But I also bother to try and tell the difference between someone that is a problem, and someone that is not.
I deal with people in distress, wounded, injured, or otherwise ill, and desperately needing my help.
Some of them are lame, mean, frustrating, etc, and I too get pissed at some of them, but my mode is to be cool and nice to all my patients. Crappy attitude gets in the way of progress.
Apparently she felt different about this approach.

Regardless, that nonsense I just dealt with at Vista's Substation was uncalled for.

Some people need to be reminded that they can be fired for being bad employees.
Or maybe she can't, and that is the root to the problem ...

Mini rant over,

As you were.

Sorry about your experience. The only thing worse is when you are a Leo and you get the same kind of treatment because you work for a different agency. Yup, even other LEO get the "don't you know its my break" treatment.

[spyde12]

Until you call 911. See you there and I will help you with anything you need. Family turmoil, I have some advice and resources. Need a ride somewhere, I'll turn into a taxi cab driver. Life threatened, I'll turn into a soldier. Depressed, I'll talk to you for any amount of time you need. Problem with your neighbor, I'll turn into a mediator. Kid drowning, I'll turn into a Lifeguard. Just let me know, I'll help you out.

Much respect with the way you addressed his comment.

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[micro911]

Until you call 911. See you there and I will help you with anything you need. Family turmoil, I have some advice and resources. Need a ride somewhere, I'll turn into a taxi cab driver. Life threatened, I'll turn into a soldier. Depressed, I'll talk to you for any amount of time you need. Problem with your neighbor, I'll turn into a mediator. Kid drowning, I'll turn into a Lifeguard. Just let me know, I'll help you out.

May god bless all. Stay safe. When I retire, I may continue to serve as a reserve. Maybe. Just a thought.

[AR15Man]

Ive been a civilian, Marine, civilian again, LEO and now a civilian. Ill be honest with all of you, theres a lot of work to be done. Theres a lot of trust to be gained and its because the system is effed up. Continue to hire these dummies straight out of college with no life experience, give them a badge and they act like God's gift. Thats one source of the problem. Racism is still very much alive within law enforcement and its sad. People dont whistleblow because they are in fear of losing their job. It's not easy when you have a family to take care of. I really hope that in time, LEO's and the community can work together, instead of having an us vs them attitude.

+1

The system needs to stop condoning and supporting the false reporting of incidents just to keep a field officer or his/her Sergeant out of an IA.

I've personally seen officers lie twice in the last two years.

Everyone is human and made mistakes.

When an Officer makes a mistake, man up, take your licks and learn from it.

In today's environment the first thing they want to do is push of the blame for their mistakes.

I believe that the lack of personal integrity is a direct result of today's society, government and community standards in general.

[epilepticninja]

Come on.. This is a free country with the freedom of speech. We protect their freedom of speech, also. I certainly did it when I served in the USMC.

This isn't the forum to air grievances with law enforcement. He can take that crap to OT. I'm on other gun forums to include Glock Talk, Warrior Talk, and ARFCOM. And with those three examples, LEO's on those sites are treated with respect and the LEO's are much more involved.

This site has really got me wondering with all the cop hate, I'm surprised that the few former, active, and retired LEO's continue to hang around on Calguns. And with the one place they can come and not hear a bunch of badmouthing, here comes dude saying dumb sh*t, freedom of speech or not.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Hey kermit315. I posted a comment in one of the OT threads you've participated in before it got hectic. Here is a direct link to my comment:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=14910815#post14910815

I had a feeling that the discussion was going to jump off the tracks and I was really interested to discuss the topic at hand. I guess mine either got lost in the shuffle, or no one cared to comment lol. Maybe both? Oh well.

When ever numbers are used to support someone's claim, it's really important to cite their sources. That's the basics of a thesis/essay. What's as important is for those sources to be from a globally accepted entity (i.e. FBI, DOJ, etc). Otherwise, it's hyperbole. So your frustration hasn't fallen on deaf ears.

I like participating in this forum because it's got a diverse group of people. It's the only place I feel comfortable having a civil discussion with anyone in LE.

For what it's worth, most civilians don't want bad things to happen to those in uniform. Unfortunately, negativity gets more air time in the media. So for those that don't know anyone in LE, that's their only frame of reference. I try to remain objective. For those like me that had 1 bad experience. Yea, I was upset at the time, but I got over it. I just chose not to allow that person to influence that way I interact with other people in LE. Otherwise, that jerk wins.

I tried to click on the above link, and was denied. I think I have been banned from OT.

[micro911]

This isn't the forum to air grievances with law enforcement. He can take that crap to OT. I'm on other gun forums to include Glock Talk, Warrior Talk, and ARFCOM. And with those three examples, LEO's on those sites are treated with respect and the LEO's are much more involved.

This site has really got me wondering with all the cop hate, I'm surprised that the few former, active, and retired LEO's continue to hang around on Calguns. And with the one place they can come and not hear a bunch of badmouthing, here comes dude saying dumb sh*t, freedom of speech or not.

I was pretty frustrated by the way they put it, so it was my way of saying let's be civil when "they" voice their opinion.