Question...anyone switching back to 9mm?

[ap3572001]

The only platform that works with +P 45 w/o issues is 4506-1 with wolff spings. (Its a 10mm frame and slide) HST+P 230's go out at 960FPS from taht pistol.

[Notorious]

We issued winchester ranger 230 grain +P for the G21. While it was hotter, nobody from the range put out any warning memos or recall notices to not use them in the G21. Doesn't matter any way, I have the +P+ now in 9mm for the G34.

[Gnome]

Duty weapon is my Beretta 9mm. I bought the HK USP .45 and was considering making the transition, but after studying up on ballistic and OIS reports, and attending several shooting course, I made the decision to stay with my Beretta.

I've been told that with advances in ammo, the 9mm is just as deadly as .45 when it comes to "center mass" hits. You don't start to see a difference between 9mm and .45 until you start hitting collateral areas of the body (limbs).

Bottom Line is I'm a better shot with my Beretta 9mm than my HK USP .45. And I've learned that it is all about shot placement, rather than caliber size. No such thing as a "one shot, one kill" with handguns.

Just my opinion...

[red2sniper]

my department allows 9mm, .40, or .45, the issued round was a 9mm several years ago, went to .40 cal about 7 years ago, no talk of going back.

[Notorious]

Funny thing is my first department only allowed 40 or 45, no 9mm. The policy stated duty handgun calibers allowed: 40 and above. That's it. You can have a 9mm for backup or off duty though. Then went to one that was 9 or 45, no 40 for duty, 40 allowed for off duty or backup. Can't make sense of it.

[AdiosKali]

I don't know about other firearms but apparently the +P 45 causes damage to the glock 21. We now have to use the non +P stuff which has me considering carrying 9mm.

I have my doubts about this as the 21 frame is the same as the 10mm 20 frame.

[Notorious]

The G20 frame is a special space age polymer infused with tiny Adamantium strips to make it totally indestructible. Otherwise it would not be able to withstand the power of a full 10mm launch.

[Bodei]

I have a theory as to why they are switching to 9mm. Something to do with getting people through the academy.

[Notorious]

Not completely true. It also depends on the platform. We had a female who couldn't shoot her personal 9mm Smith to save her life but as soon as she got handed a department G22, she was qualifying as well as anyone else.

[SByota]

I switched from my issued H&K USP in .40SW to a Glock 34 (9mm). All modern non-magnum handgun calibers are all very close in terminal performance. Modern ammo makes the great caliber debate less interesting than it was 10 years ago.

For me, 9mm offers high capacity (19+1), soft recoil and very fast follow up shots. The mild recoil also improved my support hand shooting as well as shooting from "combat/non standard" positions. My pistol scores jumped 10% almost instantly and have continued to rise.

A secondary advantage is the cost of training ammo. Less expensive training ammo means more trigger time. More trigger time means better skills.

Just for info, I use Winchester Ranger 124 +P

[wikioutdoor]

40 calibers have a sharper recoil and with the diversity of officers 9mm makes more sense. I gave my old g23 to my mom and she prefers both my g17 and g21 to it.

With any caliber ammo is key, I personally and many other people and organizations have found speer gold dot to be the most reliably performing ammo. That's what I keep at home 147gr subsonic rounds for my g17 - 19 rounds worth x 2 mags

[tyrist]

I have my doubts about this as the 21 frame is the same as the 10mm 20 frame.

It damages the striker for certain but I have heard of other problems. We had the +P disapproved because of all the malfunctions. The G21 was completely disapproved at one time as well until they could figure out the problem. Glocks are best in 9mm.

[yzErnie]

I don't know about other firearms but apparently the +P 45 causes damage to the glock 21. We now have to use the non +P stuff which has me considering carrying 9mm.

That is exactly what happened with our issued Glock 21s. I never carried a Glock but I did carry my P220. When they had to switch to the std velocity 45acp ammo I asked if those of us who carried real guns could still use the +P ammo...the answer was "no".

I then go a hold of our OIS teams and asked about the 9mm ammo vs the std velocity 45acp and their answer was the issued 9mm +P+ was performing much better than the std velocity 45acp ammo. These guys see the results frequently and I trust their factual synopsis. After seeing first hand a couple incidents my deputies were involved in and the aftermath results, I am a firm believer in the issued 9mm being substantially better than the issued 45acp. A couple years back I retired my P220 and brought my P226 9mm into play.

[Notorious]

Here here!

The 127 grain +P+ SXT round is a hot little number and I would have no problem with using it versus the old 230 grain +P 45ACP.

[yzErnie]

The 45 +P was pretty good stuff. It pushed a 230gr HP out at over 1,000fps but those plastic Glocks could not hold up to the beating they were taking.