Officer Safety & CGN?

[Falconis]

I'll provide an example (paraphrasing) of a thread that was discussed here where I was involved. It was one of the typical 4A type threads where officers were serving a warrant. My question was roughly, "So you would do whatever it took to oppose a lawful warrant being served on your residence huh?" The response was, "The officers serving the warrant are going to be in for a surprise when I rig the house full of explosives".

I realize what he said may have been banter, but there was a good number of posts from different people muttering something similar. It's posts like that why I won't recommend people over here and damn be to hell co workers. I think that person is still an active poster even though I can't remember the posters handle.

Bottom line, words may have power, but I can keep my money in my pocket and donate elsewhere and I can direct people elsewhere as well, where they won't have to associate with people who make such horrific statements.

Another problem is that a lot of people teeter on that edge. They, for lack of a better term, put lipstick on a pig and want to call it a beauty contestant. No matter how some of the posters here describe their actions with statements such as, "I am calling it like I see it" or whatever, their intent is still pretty clear.

[Ron-Solo]

There's a thread going on right now in the off topic thread about "gun grabbers Katrina" and someone came up with the option of getting a group together and engaging in armed resistance.

I'm so tired of the Katrina threads. No one can point out where it has ever happened in CA and since Katrina, the Feds have outlawed such actions nationwide because how screwed up New Orleans PD was in their actions, which were ordered by their idiot of a mayor.

[Falconis]

Kind of hard to get people to let go of anger. Especially when they truely have nothing else going on in their lives I guess

[Falconis]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44167629/displaymode/1283/for/facebookvideo

There's something those troll will never show either.

[odysseus]

I know the thread the OP is talking about, I was in it arguing with the stupid idiocy inserted of the idea by two members in particular that somehow there was a justification for this murder, which did anger me - which even with my time knowing how internet forums are still can happen.

There are some people on here that are out of their minds or harbor irrational ideas and some malice. They from what I can see are a very small group of known members. We also have a large fleet of young posters on here, especially more so in the last couple of years, that simply are ignorant and reactive, and also write tall for the internet. Some things about here because of the growth, have not been beneficial. But that is the Internet.

However I will echo others here - those ignorantly advocating violence and casting dispersions on LE just because, are a minority here. A deep one. Consider the numbers, and also the people I have met on here thus far have been decent as far as I can tell (though I did meet Ben Cannon once). Really you must consider the vast silent majority and gauge that this is the web. I do though understand LE people here that are having a problem with it, I mean it bothers me too.

[biochembruin]

I'll provide an example (paraphrasing) of a thread that was discussed here where I was involved. It was one of the typical 4A type threads where officers were serving a warrant. My question was roughly, "So you would do whatever it took to oppose a lawful warrant being served on your residence huh?" The response was, "The officers serving the warrant are going to be in for a surprise when I rig the house full of explosives"....

Not the one you're referring to, but a different response regarding an "LAPD raid for raw milk" (never mind the multiple errors in that phrase which were later revealed):

this is why you break out the propane tanks with a flare attached to them.

small camper styles as grenades, and the big tanks for vehicles.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=6896571&postcount=74

Or this response to "what would you do if a no-knock raid was served on your house:"

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=6566956&postcount=101

I'll admit I didn't report these posts. And the reason was that I didn't think it would help change the sentiment that some feel on this website.

[TRICKSTER]

Now I'm going to throw this one back at the LEOs in this thread.
I see every Report Post notice that is generated on this web site.
I do not recall seeing a notice about advocating, suggesting or supporting the killing of an LEO as described.
This isn't to say it didn't happen, quite the opposite. Based on the reaction and discussion it did and it was definitely noted.
But not reported so the Staff could deal with it.

We don't see every post and can not be everywhere, if you do not tell us we can not do anything about it.

Based on conversations over the years with friends that are LEOs that statement should sound a bit familiar..

PM sent as to why I will not use "report post"
As to the staff dealing with it, someone must have seen it as it got deleted.

[retired]

Pretty much every active member on this site knows I'm a retired leo as I have never hidden that fact even before becoming a moderator. I have not only worked the 3 main gun shows in S. Cal on a regular basis, I have organized a couple of booths at special events (Raahauge's and the Temecula Rod Run). I have also set up 3 shooting events at Lytle Creek and went to the extremely hot one in Barstow last year.

I have been approached by a lot of different members at all of these events (mostly non-leos) and I have not had any negative comments made to me; not only about my former leo status or how they believed that has affected my judgement as a moderator here. True, some may not have said anything due to the fact I am a moderator and believed they may have felt I would retaliate in some way on the site.

First, as outspoken as some are here, I don't believe me being a mod would have stopped them from saying something to my face and two, I wouldn't retaliate. If I believed their comments to me were egregious enough, I may have advised an administrator to examine the issue and make a decision, if warranted, but I would have recused myself.

I enjoy volunteering my time to meet the public and advising them what Calguns has been doing for gunners in this state and what they are trying to continue to do. I have also enjoyed the opportunity to meet a large group of Calgunners; especially at the shoots. I have not let the vocal minority of anti leo members stop me from doing that, but I realize every active and retired leo makes up their own mind and I certainly don't criticize them for doing so.

Speaking of shoots, I intend to be at the Barstow BLM one on Sept. 3. AndrewMendez said he appointed me to be the Rangemaster because I'm wise and old, but mostly old, so look me up if you want to. Just please don't push me down; I don't want anymore back surgeries.

[yzErnie]

Haters will always be haters. There are those who, for whatever reason(s), will always be antis and there will be nothing you or I can do to change that mentality.

I have to be honest and say that lately there has been some baiting of the trolls. Trolls are just like stray dogs, you pay attention to them and they will keep coming back. You ignore them and they will go away. You will very rarely see me posting in the usual suspects threads.

[CSACANNONEER]

I am not LEO. I have worked for a LEA in the past and my father is a retired (=31 years) Federal LEO. That said, I have hosted about a dozen AK build parties. While these are not official CGN functions. They are organized with the aid of this forum. I'm estimating that I've had no less than 24 various LEOs at my home during these parties and I have NEVER seen nor heard of a single anti LEO comment during these functions. Actually, if anything, I would say that the opposite is true and, the overwelming setiment is pro LEO.

OK, there was this one time when I did hear a LEO at a BP talking crap about a bunch of monkeys who worked at another agency but, should that really count?

BTW, I am extremely vocal about my being anti-BAD LEO. Unfortunately, I, like many others, should be more vocal about our support of all the good LEOs out there.

Finally, threads like this make do make me a bit nervous since, I really hate the "us vs. them" mentality that is being expressed here.

[Scratch705]

Not the one you're referring to, but a different response regarding an "LAPD raid for raw milk" (never mind the multiple errors in that phrase which were later revealed):

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=6896571&postcount=74

Or this response to "what would you do if a no-knock raid was served on your house:"

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=6566956&postcount=101

I'll admit I didn't report these posts. And the reason was that I didn't think it would help change the sentiment that some feel on this website.

glad to see i'm being taken out of context. never had that happen to any of my posts. woot! another notch on my list of internet accomplishments done!

[Falconis]

I've gone to 2 events up north here and for the most part they were positive. I was on guard then and on guard now. The first one could have gone south had not Oaklander said something and I attempted to make a joke afterwards. The wording was something along the lines of "except for LEO's doing ...." I forgot what the exact words used were. The intent, the way I took it, was clearly going to be his displeasure at how LEO's or some LEo's conduct their business.

Either way, do what you guys are going to do, just be aware of your surroundings like always.

[nobody33]

Before I found this forum I was pretty pro gun (pro CCW, no bans on types, anti AW ban). I would still consider myself pro gun... but after reading some of the crazies on this forum, I have moved towards the center and realize some control is needed clearly due to a few nuts.

I don't even bother reading the off topic forums anymore. I'm kinda surprised the few, but load, crazies who are clearly anarchists, are allowed to have such a loud voice. If it has an affect on moving someone as far to the right as I am, more to the center... then it really must fuel the antis who undoubtedly look at this site.

[Falconis]

I always wonder how many of the "vocal idiots" are anti's just baiting and trolling on this site. I KNOW some of the cop haters are true pro 2A people here, but I also know there has to be a few anti's just stirring the ****.

[geeknow]

having been here a while now, ive watched this place grow from a small community of like minded folks into a fractured one where radicals at both ends drown out the middle. I am a lifetime contributor (the first of many, I think), and proud of it, as well as the work that cgn and cgf have done for all. I did that because I believe in the 'long haul', and look forward to that feeling of community returning.

I will take Kes's call to action to heart, and will speak up more when the fringe elements of this site dont represent the groups best interests. I would hope that others will too. I know that the majority of cgr's are good people. Ive met lots of them.