Officer Safety & CGN?

[TRICKSTER]

Today in the OT Forum, there was a thread covering the Killing of Officer Robert Lasso. There is a news story here. http://www.wfmz.com/lehighvalleynews...14/detail.html

The thread has since been deleted, most likely due to the fact that several "members" here were attempting to justify the killing of Officer Lasso. This type of activity happens quite often and the threads are often deleted. Due to the deletions, LEO's that do not read the OT Forum are not fully informed as to who here is anti LEO or to the extremes that some may go to.

This extreme anti LEO attitude expressed by some "members" here is the reason why I have not volunteered for any Calgun's activities. Just wondering if any other LEO's feel the same of if they participate in any activities such as the gun show booths, if they do participate, do they have any concerns?
Do you think that it would be in the best interest of CGN for the threads to be locked instead of deleted and any rules violations dealt with so that anyone thinking about volunteering can look at the post and see who these people are before potentially working with them in person. This would allow people to make an informed decision as to who they are associating with?


I have been told that the link to the news story is dead. Here is another link.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/bethlehem/index.ssf/2011/08/man_salutes_slain_freemansburg.html

[Samuelx]

Re: justifying the murder of an LEO - COWARDLY PATHETIC!

Re: response to the shooting - that Chief should resign/retire.

[Ron-Solo]

Too many anti LE members to get me to get involved at any booths or other activities, or contribute money. The mods (most anyway) try to keep things in check, but I've seen a couple join in a bash fest or two.

Most members don't have a clue about how search and seizure laws really work, and all the exceptions there are to requirements for a search warrant. I've tried to educate people but they don't want to accept real life issues or court decisions supporting what LE really does.

It gets old fast.

[IrishJoe3]

I read that thread before it got deleted. I was appalled that there were people who were actually justifying the murder of the police officer (shot in the head with a shot gun) because the officer pointed a taser at an aggressive/attacking dog???? Is society really that lost that there is so little value in a human life? Makes me sick, and I am completely disgusted.

This extreme anti LEO attitude expressed by some "members" here is the reason why I have not volunteered for any Calgun's activities. Just wondering if any other LEO's feel the same ...

Absolutely! No way in hell am I going to associate with the above type people, and there are waaaaay too many of them on CGN for me to wish to be identified with the organizations. Bottom line, not going to happen.

[Librarian]

[moderator hat OFF]

I don't see how leaving the threads up would meet your needs. Just as I have no idea who "TRICKSTER" is out in the Real World (tm), member-handles left in threads would not tell you who might be working at an event or function.

You might not be interested, but such events might be opportunities to expose unthinking bashers to some real people, and real information, about LEOs, just as taking anti-gun people shooting has been known to change some minds.

OTOH, some people seem to be unreachable.

[ankyle62]

This extreme anti LEO attitude expressed by some "members" here is the reason why I have not volunteered for any Calgun's activities.

I'm not an LEO, but I totally agree with this. I won't go to any Calguns shoots, or any events sponsored by them, because I would rather not be associated with some outspoken people on here. They may not be the majority, but they are a loud group that it's not something I would like to get grouped into.

[RazzB7]

I'm not LEO, and I did not post in the original thread. I don't know the exact circumstances that went down in that unfortunate shooting, therefore I don't have an opinion. I'm not anti-LEO in any way. I have a lot of respect for anyone who puts themselves in harms way to protect me and my way of life, whether it be through law enforcement, military or fire fighting.

But it seems like THIS thread seems to lump all of us CALGUNNERS into one cute little basket. Librarian makes a valid point and I personally don't see a reason to "LOCK" the thread so that it's there for posterity. Ugly is ugly and needs to be taken away from view sometimes.

[center_x]

I agree with not participating in the events. Unfortunately cgn is only useful to me for decent priced items and various info.

I don't even feel comfortable suggestioning cgn. There are too many couch warrior idiots who have no clue and I wouldn't want to be associated with them.

Its unfortunate, because the ides of cgn is good, but many have ruined it.

Jmo

[pieeater]

Im not in LE, but I stopped recomending this site to people a while ago. Its an embarassment to gunowners. I definately wouldnt work in a booth or donate a single penny to it or the foundation.I used to try and get people to join here thinking that if there were more normal people here it would help drive the losers away. But the opposite is happening with the bad reputation this site is getting it is attracting more and more nutjobs.

[iareConfusE]

Im not in LE, but I stopped recomending this site to people a while ago. Its an embarassment to gunowners. I definately wouldnt work in a booth or donate a single penny to it or the foundation.I used to try and get people to join here thinking that if there were more normal people here it would help drive the losers away. But the opposite is happening with the bad reputation this site is getting it is attracting more and more nutjobs.

Apart from the occasional troll threads I see on just about every subforum of CGN, I haven't been noticing any profound presence of nutjobs on the website... A lot of the threads are informational, and the website is a good medium for people to share information with, and learn about tons of stuff.

Because someone doesn't share quite the same value system as you, or doesn't agree with you on certain issues they're automatically nutjobs and idiots that should be outed for a public tarring and feathering?

[TRICKSTER]

I'm not LEO, and I did not post in the original thread. I don't know the exact circumstances that went down in that unfortunate shooting, therefore I don't have an opinion. I'm not anti-LEO in any way. I have a lot of respect for anyone who puts themselves in harms way to protect me and my way of life, whether it be through law enforcement, military or fire fighting.

But it seems like THIS thread seems to lump all of us CALGUNNERS into one cute little basket. Librarian makes a valid point and I personally don't see a reason to "LOCK" the thread so that it's there for posterity. Ugly is ugly and needs to be taken away from view sometimes.

This thread was not meant to lump all CALGUNNERS into one basket and only addresses those with extreme anti LEO views, something that would be obvious to all if their post were not deleted.

"Ugly is ugly and needs to be taken away from view sometimes".
If that's the case, and the posts from some members are too ugly and shouldn't be seen by others, then why are these people still members.

[IrishJoe3]

But it seems like THIS thread seems to lump all of us CALGUNNERS into one cute little basket.

No, I get that the vast majority of Cal Gunners are normal people. Its the vocal minority that give calguns the reputation it has though, and its because of that image that the minority has given the entire organization that people are turned off.

[mej16489]

CGN has enough nutters that I don't see ever meeting up with anyone for any reason in a random setting. At the same time I've gotten together with a few after I've gotten a feel for them on the forum.

However, its too great a resource to discount its importance. There is no better location for CA related firearms information. I've never donated to CGN - and I probably should. CGF, however, gets regular donations.

I usually try to forewarn people that you have to wade through a ton of crap to get to the real answers...but that's pretty much the definition of the internet...

Whether to lock or delete - I personally prefer that all the posts which don't paint gunnies in a good light get deleted. All it does is make the whole community look bad. When people keep getting their posts & threads deleted they don't hang around too long.

Personally, I don't want to take the time to figure out who the whackos are and keep a mental list. I just assume everyone's a whacko until they prove otherwise

[Vacaville]

I don't even feel comfortable suggestioning cgn. There are too many couch warrior idiots who have no clue and I wouldn't want to be associated with them.

Jmo

Nice to have you here too.

[Mikeb]

I"m not a Police Officer so you can take this for what it's worth. There are folk that have a grudge against the police. Maybe they got busted maybe they got a ticket. Maybe they had a friend of a cousin that got a raw deal. The police are the cutting edge of the legal system. It is often an adversarial position. Doing what they do and dealing with some of the folk they do it is a natural effect that some will resent them and they will be wary of some of the folk they come in contact. Personally I appreciate your service I couldn't live in Oakland with out you guys.
Thanks
Mike