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  • Ron-Solo
    In Memoriam
    • Jan 2009
    • 8581

    Originally posted by J-cat
    PC 12072(f)2(A)
    WRONG AGAIN !

    You are grossly misintrepreting this section. This applies only to someone who imports a firearm into the state, such as moving into California from another state (doesn't matter which one) and they are only required to mail in a form and $$ to DOJ.

    There is no law that requires registration of handguns.
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    • Ron-Solo
      In Memoriam
      • Jan 2009
      • 8581

      Originally posted by Vacaville

      I have personally had my car searched after refusing to consent, and even though I had nothing to hide, I felt violated and powerless to do anything about it.
      Vacaville,

      Even though your refused to give consent, which is your right, the officer may have had probable cause to search without your consent. Many times I have had probable cause to search but I still ask for consent. If it is refused, I will conduct my search based on probable cause.

      Unfortunately, when you are in that situation, you will feel powerless and vulnerable because you don't have any control over the situation. That is why I will ask for consent even though I don't need it to alleviate some of those feelings. Doesn't always help, but sometimes it does.
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      • bubbagump
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2006
        • 2302

        Originally posted by ilbob
        I can't say I ever heard of anyone thanking a cop for giving them a ticket.
        I got a ticket while still working for the old PD. A CHPy stopped me for running a traffic meter light on a freeway on ramp (instead of waiting in line, I jumped in the carpool lane).

        I didn't try to talk my way out. Didn't flash an ID. I deserved that ticket. I made a douschebag move and got caught doing it by a smart officer with a REALLY good setup. I drove right into that ticket.

        I never said Thank You. But I did want to high five him...that spot he chose was legit!

        EDIT: I paid the fine, went to traffic school, and I don't drive like an a ***hole anymore.

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        • J-cat
          Calguns Addict
          • May 2005
          • 6626

          Originally posted by Ron-Solo
          WRONG AGAIN !

          You are grossly misintrepreting this section. This applies only to someone who imports a firearm into the state, such as moving into California from another state (doesn't matter which one) and they are only required to mail in a form and $$ to DOJ.

          There is no law that requires registration of handguns.
          Really? So I can buy a handhun in California without it being registered? Please show me the way.

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          • 7222 Hawker
            Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 392

            Originally posted by bubbagump
            I got a ticket while still working for the old PD. A CHPy stopped me for running a traffic meter light on a freeway on ramp (instead of waiting in line, I jumped in the carpool lane).

            I didn't try to talk my way out. Didn't flash an ID. I deserved that ticket. I made a douschebag move and got caught doing it by a smart officer with a REALLY good setup. I drove right into that ticket.

            I never said Thank You. But I did want to high five him...that spot he chose was legit!

            EDIT: I paid the fine, went to traffic school, and I don't drive like an a ***hole anymore.
            You sir, are a good man. I have also paid the price, not pitched a fit and realized that the guy probably didnt run my plates and was just doing his job. Good for you.

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            • Ron-Solo
              In Memoriam
              • Jan 2009
              • 8581

              Originally posted by J-cat
              Really? So I can buy a handhun in California without it being registered? Please show me the way.
              J-Cat,

              You just don't get it. If you purchase a handgun thru a dealer, it goes thru a DROS. If you purchase it from a private party, you have to do a private person transfer thru an FFL. Prior to about 1996 (not positive without looking up the date) you could transfer firearms between individuals without going thru any type of dealer, etc. If you bring a handgun into the state when you move here, you are supposed to file a form with DOJ.

              There is no requirement that handguns have to be registered to possess which is what you keep claiming. I have several handguns that I purchased private party prior to 1996 that there is no record on file because it wasn't required then, and it's not required now.

              If you purchase any firearm (excluding C&R and Antiques) now you are required to use an FFL for the transfer. For handguns, there will be a DROS in CLETS, but stop confusing DROS with having to register guns. They are not the same thing.
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              • geeknow
                Lifetime Contributor #1
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Aug 2007
                • 3144

                Originally posted by 7222 Hawker
                You sir, are a good man. I have also paid the price, not pitched a fit and realized that the guy probably didnt run my plates and was just doing his job. Good for you.
                Since you stated that "the guy probably didnt run my plates", I assume that you were driving your personal conveyance. If I am wrong, please disregard the following question...

                Assuming that you were driving your personal auto, what would you have expected to happen differently had that officer "run your plates" prior to writing the ticket?

                Follow up question...
                Is it still policy/priveledge (not sure which is the right term) to register personal autos through the DMV as "confidential/whichever dept you work for"? If so, does this extend to any autos that may be registered in that officers name?

                thanks in advance for the answers.

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                • bubbagump
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2302

                  Originally posted by geeknow
                  Since you stated that "the guy probably didnt run my plates", I assume that you were driving your personal conveyance. If I am wrong, please disregard the following question...

                  Assuming that you were driving your personal auto, what would you have expected to happen differently had that officer "run your plates" prior to writing the ticket?

                  Follow up question...
                  Is it still policy/priveledge (not sure which is the right term) to register personal autos through the DMV as "confidential/whichever dept you work for"? If so, does this extend to any autos that may be registered in that officers name?

                  thanks in advance for the answers.
                  I know your not asking me, but I knew several officers who had "10-35" plates. Meaning if the plate was ran, it would come back confidential to said department the officer worked for. Other department personnel could get their plates 10-35 as well...normally you needed a good reason if you were not an officer (i.e. death threats)...

                  Two things can happen if an officer runs your 10-35 plates while your off-duty in your personal vehicle...he either pulls you over or he doesn't pull you over.

                  If he pulls you over you'll get a ticket. It doesn't matter who you are. How many badges you have. Your most likely getting a ticket. Throwing a fit will probably get you in trouble with your higher ups. This has happened before. The CHP (and I'm sure other departments) have done this to officers I know.

                  If he pulls you over and doesn't give you a ticket, he probably knows you and just wants to shoot the ****.

                  If you don't get pulled over...then congrats. Or maybe he'll just report you to the WC..."Hey, one of your people (license plate blah blah blah), was driving like an ***hole on the 605...tell him to quit it". I've heard of this happening as well.

                  And I do not know how many plates you can 10-35 if you own multiple personal vehicles.

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                  • geeknow
                    Lifetime Contributor #1
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 3144

                    Originally posted by bubbagump

                    And I do not know how many plates you can 10-35 if you own multiple personal vehicles.
                    I am now officially determined to find an answer to this question. Does anybody know?

                    thanks

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                    • Fire in the Hole
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 1563

                      Also consider that if all your paperwork is present and in order, there's no need to just radio it in. It ties up dispatch, and if the system's busy can take a long time. Like 30 minutes for a return sometimes. Unless your agency mandates calling in each stop. A single CHP might easily make 30+ stops per shift, and call in 5 of them.

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                      • Fire in the Hole
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 1563

                        Originally posted by geeknow
                        I am now officially determined to find an answer to this question. Does anybody know?

                        thanks
                        I don't think there's a limit. I've three at one time. Different form for each one. I did find this out recently: DMV does not have a form or procedure for deleting them once you retire or separate. I tried. They all still come back to the dept. DMV told me I'd have to surrender the plates, and get issued new ones!

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                        • Jonathan Doe

                          Originally posted by geeknow
                          I am now officially determined to find an answer to this question. Does anybody know?

                          thanks
                          As long as the vehicle is registered in your name, you can have it under the confidentiality. I have 5 cars under the dept name with confidentiality. The renewal comes to my house.

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                          • CaliTheKid
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 546

                            Worth noting the confidentiality plates offer very mild protection. Much better if all information is attached to a PO Box in addition. Never know who's sister or cousin works at the DMV.

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                            • retired
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                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 9409

                              Originally posted by CaliTheKid
                              Worth noting the confidentiality plates offer very mild protection. Much better if all information is attached to a PO Box in addition. Never know who's sister or cousin works at the DMV.
                              That is certainly true. In the late 1970s, the wife of Robert (Robot) Salas, the leader of EME at the time, worked for DMV out of Sacramento. Since she was Civil Service and never got caught (as far as I know) doing anything wrong, she couldn't be fired just for that.

                              I don't know of course, if he ever had her get him info on someone, leo or a rival gangbanger, but it was certainly possible.

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                              • yzErnie
                                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 6309

                                Let me clarify the confidential registration...the vehicle is not registered to the department by who you are employeed. The vehicle is registered to your name and your address is listed at the department you work for.
                                The satisfaction of a job well done is to be the one who has done it

                                Originally posted by RazoE
                                I don't feel a thing when some cop gets ghosted.

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