HR-218 Certificate

[Ron-Solo]

I do know that the San Diego sheriff is using the General CCW course as a qual course for 926C LEOSA qualifications. That's not legal and the certificates aren't valid. It has to be the standards the department uses for on duty officers.

Sorry, got to call BS on this part. The agency decides the requirements. There is no set "standard" qualification course anywhere in the state.

[Tallship]

Sorry, got to call BS on this part. The agency decides the requirements. There is no set "standard" qualification course anywhere in the state.

Double BS. Ron is right, and BTW, the CCW course of fire is the same as the department uses for off-duty and backup weapons.

[micro911]

When I filled out the paperwork, it said semiauto and/or revolver. Once you qualify with one such as Glock 19, you can carry any semiautos. That is how I understand. I qualified with both semiauto and revolver.

[bluesmoke9]

Sorry, got to call BS on this part. The agency decides the requirements. There is no set "standard" qualification course anywhere in the state.

I have to agree. I don't shoot a regular "qualification" course. Retirees demonstrate basic handling and shoot a magazine at the seven yard line at my shop. That's it.

[FLIGHT762]

Sorry, got to call BS on this part. The agency decides the requirements. There is no set "standard" qualification course anywhere in the state.

Double BS. Ron is right, and BTW, the CCW course of fire is the same as the department uses for off-duty and backup weapons.

Correct, the qualification for LEOSA endorsement for retirees must be a course of fire used for regular duty personnel. There is no standard for the course, the course of fire is determined by the range staff. Our qualification for LEOSA retiree endorsement is a course of fire used for regular,on duty personnel using back up weapons or for off duty weapons.

I just qualified this morning for my yearly LEOSA endorsement with my Glock 23,USP .40 and a S&W 340 PD.

[Jared1981]

In that case, I stand corrected on the SD qual course. I wasn't aware they used a different backup course.

Thanks for the info guys.

[Jared1981]

When I filled out the paperwork, it said semiauto and/or revolver. Once you qualify with one such as Glock 19, you can carry any semiautos. That is how I understand. I qualified with both semiauto and revolver.

Many departments are doing this and it isn't necessary. I think some agencies around the country just never went over the law in detail. Others know but like to charge retirees more money to take advantage of them (Illinois comes to mind).

Types of firearms are straight from the law and as clear as day.

18 USC 926C(e)(1)(A)

"except as provided in this paragraph, has the same meaning as in section 921 of this title".

18 USC 921(a)(5) = Shotgun
18 USC 921(a)(6) = Short-barrled shotgun
18 USC 921(a)(7) = Rifle
18 USC 921(a)(8) = Short-barrled rifle
18 USC 921(a)(28) = Semiautomatic rifle
18 USC 921(a)(29) = Handgun


So your glock 19 is a "handgun" and your revolver is a "handgun".

I wish qual cards notated the definitions listed in section 921 because many cops don't know the difference and stuff like this is highly scrutinized in places like NJ and HI.

[bigger hammer]

Because CA does not have a "state standard" as specified in the LEOSA, a lot of discretion has been left to executive officers of the LE agencies. I know of one Chief who will allow up to five firearms to be listed on the 'carry card,' but no more. He requires that a retiree qualify with each of them.

[Jared1981]

Because CA does not have a "state standard" as specified in the LEOSA, a lot of discretion has been left to executive officers of the LE agencies. I know of one Chief who will allow up to five firearms to be listed on the 'carry card,' but no more. He requires that a retiree qualify with each of them.

That's for the state retired ID card/ carry authority. CA agencies have lots of discretion in how to administer the retired ID due to CA law.

For LEOSA, the chief has no authority to add/remove anything from federal statute. They can't even revoke a certification as its not a license in the traditional sense.

He can't even dictate what a qual sheet looks like. I have one from a LEOSA attorney to where the document can be used in any state, it's just a fill in the blank form.

For example, I can qualify a retiree who resides in RI anywhere in the country. Unless state law qualification standards change, no department or agency could tell me to not use my forms as they are to the letter of the law and have all the necessary information.

For CA, since there is no state standard, anyone who can do quals for any CA agency, could qualify any CA resident on that course. I'm sure some Chiefs don't like it, but they don't even have to know about it. All they have to do is carry the qual sheet/card with the photographic ID card identifying you as a separated or retired LEO.

[micro911]

Maybe I should qualify for shotgun and rifle also next year. Or, is it possible?

[CBR_rider]

Maybe I should qualify for shotgun and rifle also next year. Or, is it possible?

But please don't tell anyone about your ability to qualify with supressed SBR's for concealed carry. We don't want that one getting out

[retired]

When I filled out the paperwork, it said semiauto and/or revolver. Once you qualify with one such as Glock 19, you can carry any semiautos. That is how I understand. I qualified with both semiauto and revolver.

Once you qualify with one semi and a revolver, you can carry any semi and revolver. You do not have to qualify with each one. Furthermore, the guns aren't listed on the card.

Note, this applies to retired LASD personnel, other depts. may and do, do it differently. As of 03-31-16, I have been retired 13yrs. (I have beaten the national average by more than twice [6yrs.]) and renew it every year because I need it when I go to Nv. Nv. refuses to recognize anyone with a Ca. ccw since our great state doesn't recognize theirs; not that Ca recognizes any state's ccw).

BTW, the qualifying is no longer done at the BC range. They stopped that due to LACFD's microwave dish, located at their training center above the range, being hit by stray bullets. It now takes place across the street in a trailer by the laser training house.

[micro911]

BTW, the qualifying is no longer done at the BC range. They stopped that due to LACFD's microwave dish, located at their training center above the range, being hit by stray bullets. It now takes place across the street in a trailer by the laser training house.

Retired for 3 months now.

I cannot understand how in the world they get hit by stray bullets from the BC range. The angle is so steep that you virtually have to shoot straight up the hill. Even so, I don't think you can hit that thing even intentionally.

[bigger hammer]

Retired for 3 months now.

Congrats

I cannot understand how in the world they get hit by stray bullets from the BC range. The angle is so steep that you virtually have to shoot straight up the hill. Even so, I don't think you can hit that thing even intentionally.

Strays (or intentional hits) from the hood?