HR-218 Certificate

[micro911]

I would like to confirm what I heard from the personnel when I returned my ID and badge. That said my retired ID has 5 year CCW endorsement which it did. They also said that all I need for the HR-218 is to qualify at my agency range, and the score will be entered into the system. They said that is all I need, and I don't need extra certificate for the HR-218.

Is that how it is? I thought I saw someone carried an actual HR-218 certificate. Please someone educate me. I am a newbie in this retirement business.

[1CavScout]

My retired ID has a CCW date and an HR218 date. It says 5 years from qualification for CCW and one year from qualification for HR218, and it has the date you qualified on it. I get a new ID every year with an updated qual date. It does clearly state "HR218" on it.

[oldmotor]

My dept. has you qualify and you later get a HR 218 card with your picture on it that is the same size as your i.d. card. It basically says that you are endorsed for out of state carry. We have two separate cards.

[joefrank64k]

My agency issues small HR-218 cards for each "type" of firearm you qual with (e.g. revolver, striker-fired SA). They're good for a year. They also provide the HR-218 range time and ammo for retirees, which is a nice touch. Regular retiree ID is good for 5 years.

[micro911]

It looks like other agencies are either endorsing or issuing a new card for HR-218. How about recent LASD retirees?

My department retiree ID says, "XXX is authorized to carry a concealed weapon pursuant to 25450 and 25455 of the California Penal Code. This authorization is valid until xxx."

It says nothing about HR-218.

[1CavScout]

^^^ I would be concerned with out of state carry if that is all that is listed.

[micro911]

^^^ I would be concerned with out of state carry if that is all that is listed.

That is why I was asking. I will go to the range office and ask them about it, too. This whole retirement thing confuses me.

[RickD427]

It looks like other agencies are either endorsing or issuing a new card for HR-218. How about recent LASD retirees?

My department retiree ID says, "XXX is authorized to carry a concealed weapon pursuant to 25450 and 25455 of the California Penal Code. This authorization is valid until xxx."

It says nothing about HR-218.

Micro,

Congrats on retirement and welcome to the club.

There is a major legal difference between the California CCW privilege of PC 25450 and LEOSA. Please note that HR-218 is a now-obsolete reference. House Resolution numbers get re-used with each session of Congress. The current HR-218 is the CHAMPVA Children's Protection Act of 2015. HR-218 from the last session of Congress was an immigration relief proposal for the benefit of Enrique Soriano and Areli Soriano.

Under PC 25450 you get a five year CCW endorsement on your ID Card. No recurrent qualification is required unless you were an 830.5 peace officer. The agency can revoke the privilege for good cause. Sheriff Baca revoked Ken Masse's privilege when he ran against Lee for Sheriff.

Under LEOSA you need to be retired in good standing and not for reasons of mental health. There is no provision for the revocation of the LEOSA privilege. However, you must qualify annually with the type of weapon being carried. You cannot be under the influence of drugs or alcohol.

LEOSA also requires that carry specific identification documents. It allows for two different forms of ID:

1) A combined ID Card showing your retired in good standing status and that shows you have qualified with the type of weapon carried within the past year.

2) An ID Card showing your retired in good standing status and a certificate showing that the officer has qualified within the preceding year.

Just having an electronic record of qualification available does not appear to meet the requirements of LEOSA.

The LASD Range Staff has been really outstanding at accommodating retirees. Their only request is that call ahead and get on schedule. They issue the LEOSA Certificate following successful completion.

[1CavScout]

Edit: Sounds like RickD427 has some good answers.

[Ron-Solo]

Micro, as an LASD retiree, I have my department ID with 5 year CCW endorsement. I carry a separate card issued by LASD range with the annual LEOSA qualification date.

If you go the the annual Round Up in Laughlin, the Department sends range staff out to do HR218 qualifications at a nearby range. They also do qualifications at the BC range. It used to be Thursdays at 10 am and you had to pre-register. Only takes a few minutes.

Hard to believe I've been retired almost 5 years already. I have to contact personnel to renew my ID and CCW before 30 March.

[Ron-Solo]

Sheriff Baca revoked Ken Masse's privilege when he ran against Lee for Sheriff.

I worked for Ken Masse when he was my sergeant at Lakewood and when I was a lieutenant in Court Services he was my Captain.

One of the most honorable men I have ever known. What Baca did to him was so wrong on so many levels. He was a great captain.

[RickD427]

I worked for Ken Masse when he was my sergeant at Lakewood and when I was a lieutenant in Court Services he was my Captain.

One of the most honorable men I have ever known. What Baca did to him was so wrong on so many levels. He was a great captain.

Ron,

I also worked with Ken. He was a truly outstanding individual and would have made an excellent Sheriff.

[Eirerogue]

Everyone continues to call it HR218 and most States are not going to change because of new Congressional bill numbers. There is so much confusion on the part of LE management and what individual departments/States require.

Follow your department policy and check with your Association. Sounds like CA has it down. Here in NV, the NV Chiefs had to flex their political muscle and we get one more hoop to jump through.

Also, amendments to HR218 have removed the requirement (under LEOSA) for any 'type' of firearm. Revolver or Auto, you're GTG.

[micro911]

Now I understand. I go to the range tomorrow for another reason, and will ask them.

[Ron-Solo]

Ron,

I also worked with Ken. He was a truly outstanding individual and would have made an excellent Sheriff.

Absolutely. I still keep in touch with him on Facebook.