HR-218 Certificate

[RickD427]

Everyone continues to call it HR218 and most States are not going to change because of new Congressional bill numbers. There is so much confusion on the part of LE management and what individual departments/States require.

Follow your department policy and check with your Association. Sounds like CA has it down. Here in NV, the NV Chiefs had to flex their political muscle and we get one more hoop to jump through.

Also, amendments to HR218 have removed the requirement (under LEOSA) for any 'type' of firearm. Revolver or Auto, you're GTG.

Eirerogue,

Below is a copy of the full text of the LEOSA for retired officers. This is the current version with the 2013 amendments incorporated. If you believe that there are "Amendments" that remove the weapon type language, please cite them. The weapon type restrictions remain. I've highlighted them in bold font for your review:

carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or

(2)(A) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer that indicates the person as having been employed as a police officer or law enforcement officer; and

(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual resides or by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State that indicates that the individual has, not less than 1 year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the State or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State to have met--
(I) the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training, as established by the State, to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or
(II) if the State has not established such standards, standards set by any law enforcement agency within that State to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm.

(e) As used in this section--

(1) the term "firearm"--
(A) except as provided in this paragraph, has the same meaning as in section 921 of this title;
(B) includes ammunition not expressly prohibited by Federal law or subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act; and
(C) does not include--
(i) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the National Firearms Act);
(ii) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this title); and
(iii) any destructive device (as defined in section 921 of this title); and

(2) the term 'service with a public agency as a law enforcement officer' includes service as a law enforcement officer of the Amtrak Police Department, service as a law enforcement officer of the Federal Reserve, or service as a law enforcement or police officer of the executive branch of the Federal Government.

[OC_NightHawk]

I was told by a retired Deputy U.S. Marshal that Riverside County S.O. holds an HR-218/LEOSA class/qual. for retired LEOs on a continuous basis. He actually showed me his "HR-218" card, and it showed the agency he retired from (USMS), position, and other pertinent information/dates. The card was legit. He also told me that RCSO will admit retired LEOs into their qual, from pretty much any county in CA.

Sounds like it'll save a lot of time and trouble if your agency doesn't accommodate a post-retirement CCW. As most Federal LE Agencies don't.

[jbolton]

Can you retired guys carry on a commercial flight with your credentials?

[OC_NightHawk]

Can you retired guys carry on a commercial flight with your credentials?

I'm not retired but know the answer, and that is negative. Only active duty Federal or State LEOs (with the mandated training).

[micro911]

Can you retired guys carry on a commercial flight with your credentials?

I know the local LEOs can fly with it with the department letterhead.

[RickD427]

I know the local LEOs can fly with it with the department letterhead.

Micro,

It used to be that simple. I don't want to publish the current process on a public forum, but it's now a little more complicated. There is a more sophisticated method of verifying the officer's identity and mission than simple correspondence, and there is a new training requirement.

It's nowhere near as simple as for federal LEO's. In more than 30 years of state service, I only flew commercial once while armed.

[code_blue]

I've researched LEOSA to implement at my range to help LEOs who are not near their original agencies.

So long as you have your CA retiree card showing the PC for carry entitlement, you can qualify with any facility, local agency, or instructor who is POST certified to qualify peace officers so long as it is within 1 year of your last qualification.

The individual POST Firearms Instructor can issue you the LEOSA card. I have not found a clear definition of what is required on the LEOSA card other than your information, the type of weapons qualified to carry, and the 1 year expiration date range. You would carry this credential with your CA department issued retiree card showing the PC CCW entitlement.

Am I correct, ladies and gents?

[1CavScout]

I've researched LEOSA to implement at my range to help LEOs who are not near their original agencies.

So long as you have your CA retiree card showing the PC for carry entitlement, you can qualify with any facility, local agency, or instructor who is POST certified to qualify peace officers so long as it is within 1 year of your last qualification.

The individual POST Firearms Instructor can issue you the LEOSA card. I have not found a clear definition of what is required on the LEOSA card other than your information, the type of weapons qualified to carry, and the 1 year expiration date range. You would carry this credential with your CA department issued retiree card showing the PC CCW entitlement.

Am I correct, ladies and gents?

^^^ That info is what my retired ID card has on it. For type of weapon it says "Pistol", "Revolver" or both. My agency just issues a new card every year and changes the qual date. After we shoot we drive from the range to personnel and they issue the new cards.

[samsigsauer]

My ID shows Concealed weapon authorized. When I received my Retired ID Card, the department also gave me a letter stating all the positions I worked 1987-2015, the letter also states. Total years of service, and that I retired in good standing.

I was told to keep a copy of the letter when I travel out of state.

[micro911]

Micro,

It used to be that simple. I don't want to publish the current process on a public forum, but it's now a little more complicated. There is a more sophisticated method of verifying the officer's identity and mission than simple correspondence, and there is a new training requirement.

It's nowhere near as simple as for federal LEO's. In more than 30 years of state service, I only flew commercial once while armed.

I know what you are talking about. I took the training, but never flew with a gun, unless I had it in the luggage.

My ID shows Concealed weapon authorized. When I received my Retired ID Card, the department also gave me a letter stating all the positions I worked 1987-2015, the letter also states. Total years of service, and that I retired in good standing.

I was told to keep a copy of the letter when I travel out of state.

I did not receive that letter from the department. All I received was a paper saying that I am no longer a 830 PC peace officer.

[Ron-Solo]

My ID shows Concealed weapon authorized. When I received my Retired ID Card, the department also gave me a letter stating all the positions I worked 1987-2015, the letter also states. Total years of service, and that I retired in good standing.

I was told to keep a copy of the letter when I travel out of state.

That's all good, but if it doesn't list a qualification date it is useless for out of state carry.

[Ron-Solo]

I did not receive that letter from the department. All I received was a paper saying that I am no longer a 830 PC peace officer.

You won't get a letter like that. It isn't needed. All you need is your department retired ID, and the LEOSA Qualification card, commonly referred to as an HR-218 card, that shows your last qualification date. I posted a photo of the front and back of mine above. See post #15.

[micro911]

You won't get a letter like that. It isn't needed. All you need is your department retired ID, and the LEOSA Qualification card, commonly referred to as an HR-218 card, that shows your last qualification date. I posted a photo of the front and back of mine above. See post #15.

Yes, I saw the photos. I will inquire with the BC staff.

[micro911]

I finally took care of the HR-218 certificate. They gave me one at the BC range. Now, I am official here in California, and other states, with both pistol and revolver. I feel better.

[gunner336]

218 Qual

It is coming up on 1 year since I retired. My retired ID is in force and good for 4 more years here in Cal. But want to get a 218 endorsement. Heard that San Berdo SD does 218 qual for other agencies retirees. Saw that this is so on web site.

Does anyone know or have the phone number or contact info for the range there at Glen Hellen.
If so please PM me.

Thanks