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  • Discogodfather
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2010
    • 5516

    Originally posted by cockedandglocked
    Ok everyone, sorry about how long it's taken me to get around to updating this guide, but I just went through the last 10 pages or so of this thread to collect information/experiences and errors with the guide people have been reporting, and I've now updated both the OP and the printable PDF, which you can get here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a...5&d=1521754777

    If anybody notices anything missing or wrong, please let me know.
    That's fantastic, one fine point I would add is:

    1) If you receive a CFARS email asking for changes to be made to your application, be aware that some DOJ personnel are still currently viewing your application and until they close it, you will NOT be able to edit the transaction online. A red letter sentence appears at the top of the application saying "This application is currently being viewed". It can take several hours up to a day for the transaction to be closed on their side.

    I got hung up on that issue and was super confused, sent them emails and called, and finally figured out how it worked. Just wait is really the only remedy, but I can see people getting hung up or even giving up if they can't edit their application.
    Originally posted by doggie
    Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
    Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
    Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
    "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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    • CandG
      Spent $299 for this text!
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Apr 2014
      • 16970

      ^ Perfect, thanks for that info Disco, I just added it to the guide (post #4, near the end).
      Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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      • Justintoxicated
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 3836

        The guide says "People have suggested that you might have more options available in the future if you
        register with a Raddlock rather than a traditional Bullet Button"

        Where can I find this information?

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        • lordmorgul
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          • Jul 2016
          • 1203

          AW Registration - The Complete Guide (everything we know so far)

          Originally posted by Justintoxicated
          The guide says "People have suggested that you might have more options available in the future if you

          register with a Raddlock rather than a traditional Bullet Button"



          Where can I find this information?

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          • Justintoxicated
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 3836

            Originally posted by lordmorgul
            Regulations say you cannot change the mechanism, lawsuits in process say there is nothing that supports that regulation in the law, all bullet buttons might be able to be removed from RAWs at some point in the future but uncertain, in any case there is a possibility that the ‘not change the mechanism’ regulation will stand but that a ruling that there is no difference exists between B.B. and standard release for a RAW so you could ‘not change the mechanism’ while still getting standard release behavior with a raddlock. That is all.
            I registered both mine with Raddlock.

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            Andrew - Lancaster, CA
            NRA Life Member, SAF / CRPA / FPC member and supporter, USCCA Member
            Mine currently have the Freelock, I guess I could switch them to radlocks just in case? It would cost me about $80. With the freelock you can also unscrew it to convert it to regular style release.


            Is there still an advantage to the radlock over the freelock? Just wondering if it's worth the $80 (and I realize there is no exact definition) but basing it on the advantage the radlock has over the standard bullet button. Would it still be worth it in that scenario?

            Also My wife will be in the process of changing her name. Does it matter if she changes it after registration? We have vacation coming up and we don't want the name change to interfere.

            Finally, can I leave me scope / optics on the rifle? Guide says to remove them but it's allot of work to re-torque all the screws and re-sight in the rifles?
            Last edited by Justintoxicated; 03-25-2018, 8:57 PM.

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            • Discogodfather
              CGN Contributor
              • Feb 2010
              • 5516

              Originally posted by Justintoxicated
              Mine currently have the Freelock, I guess I could switch them to radlocks just in case? It would cost me about $80. With the freelock you can also unscrew it to convert it to regular style release.


              Is there still an advantage to the radlock over the freelock? Just wondering if it's worth the $80 (and I realize there is no exact definition) but basing it on the advantage the radlock has over the standard bullet button. Would it still be worth it in that scenario?

              Also My wife will be in the process of changing her name. Does it matter if she changes it after registration? We have vacation coming up and we don't want the name change to interfere.

              Finally, can I leave me scope / optics on the rifle? Guide says to remove them but it's allot of work to re-torque all the screws and re-sight in the rifles?
              The raddlock thing is weird because we have no mandate to not be able to change our BB to different models and styles at any time we choose. BB's might become less available but will they become hens teeth? I don't think so. Only reason to get a raddlock now is you really want one and they aren't going to be around later.

              The scope/optics thing is about showing accessories when it's not mandated or makes no difference to the reg process. The idea is that less information is better for our own privacy. If you have that perfect setup on your optics and you don't care, then it's really no big deal. Again, there is not mandate written or implied anywhere, that we can't have different accessories on or off our AW at any time.

              I think people are just imagining that because of the pictures, people will be locked in to their configuration and if anything goes down LEO will say "ah HA! We are arresting you!" Based on what? With what charge? We have a rifle with an optic that was not in the reg photo? A different caliber upper? Makes little to no sense at all. As long as it is legal, it's legal.
              Originally posted by doggie
              Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
              Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
              Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
              "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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              • Justintoxicated
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 3836

                Originally posted by Discogodfather
                The raddlock thing is weird because we have no mandate to not be able to change our BB to different models and styles at any time we choose. BB's might become less available but will they become hens teeth? I don't think so. Only reason to get a raddlock now is you really want one and they aren't going to be around later.

                The scope/optics thing is about showing accessories when it's not mandated or makes no difference to the reg process. The idea is that less information is better for our own privacy. If you have that perfect setup on your optics and you don't care, then it's really no big deal. Again, there is not mandate written or implied anywhere, that we can't have different accessories on or off our AW at any time.

                I think people are just imagining that because of the pictures, people will be locked in to their configuration and if anything goes down LEO will say "ah HA! We are arresting you!" Based on what? With what charge? We have a rifle with an optic that was not in the reg photo? A different caliber upper? Makes little to no sense at all. As long as it is legal, it's legal.
                I thought there was a mandate that you cannot change the mag lock to another style? I believe it's linked somewhere in this thread, but it may have been another one. is a radlock another style from a freelock though? I'm not sure...

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                • Discogodfather
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 5516

                  Originally posted by Justintoxicated
                  I thought there was a mandate that you cannot change the mag lock to another style? I believe it's linked somewhere in this thread, but it may have been another one. is a radlock another style from a freelock though? I'm not sure...

                  Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
                  Originally posted by doggie
                  Someone must put an end to this endless bickering by posting the unadulterated indisputable facts and truth.
                  Originally posted by PMACA_MFG
                  Not checkers, not chess, its Jenga.
                  "The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and are filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law." - U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez

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                  • CandG
                    Spent $299 for this text!
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 16970

                    Regarding raddlock, it was summed up well by others above. There's by no means a definitive answer about it, which is why the guide doesn't really push the issue. It revolves around our ability to replace a mag release with a "like kind". Are a regular BB and a raddlock " like kind"? Probably, but maybe not. That's why I want to have them on my rifles during registration - in the remote chance that the doj/courts decide that BOTH 1) a raddlock in freestate mode is still the same release mechanism as it is in CA mode and 2) that a raddlock isn't "like kind" with a regular BB. In that perfect storm, it would prove beneficial to have registered with a raddlock. For me, that chance, however remote, is worth the small investment. Plus raddlock are just cool anyways
                    Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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                    • CandG
                      Spent $299 for this text!
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 16970

                      Regarding wife changing her name after registration, no problem. The rifle is registered to her, and she doesn't become a different person when her name changes. Might be worthwhile to carry a copy of the name change decree along with the AW registration paper just in case.
                      Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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                      • shaocaholica
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 889

                        Just as a sanity check since it was answered on the last page but are people actually getting less than a week turn around from online submission to letter in the mailbox assuming no issues? As an extreme edge case or actually often?
                        Last edited by shaocaholica; 03-26-2018, 9:44 AM.

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                        • lordmorgul
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 1203

                          AW Registration - The Complete Guide (everything we know so far)

                          Originally posted by Justintoxicated
                          Mine currently have the Freelock, I guess I could switch them to radlocks just in case? It would cost me about $80. With the freelock you can also unscrew it to convert it to regular style release.

                          Is there still an advantage to the radlock over the freelock?

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                          • shaocaholica
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 889

                            Can you even tell the barrel is different in acceptable photos?

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                            • CandG
                              Spent $299 for this text!
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 16970

                              Originally posted by lordmorgul
                              NO ONE should try to register with a magnetic tool installed however.
                              Agreed - same with a "wonder wrench" or similar devices that would have been (very) illegal to use on your rifle inside CA before 2017. It would be no different than trying to register with a standard mag release - which as we learned in another thread, will result in a VERY unpleasant knock on your door from DOJ.
                              Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do.


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                              • shaocaholica
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2014
                                • 889

                                Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                                It would be no different than trying to register with a standard mag release - which as we learned in another thread, will result in a VERY unpleasant knock on your door from DOJ.
                                Lol, kudos for the person who tried. Link?

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