AW Registration Guide **3/18/2021 update: Registration may re-open soon**

[blahblah]

Here is a question: What date of acquisition have people been using for the 2nd and 3rd registrant? I used the date the primary registrant also used, and wrote in the comment that this is the date the primary registrant started DROS.

Yep. Exactly. This has already been discussed ad nauseum in this thread.

[acespawnshop]

WOW! That's really disturbing to see completely wrong info from the DOJ. Completely untrue! Joint registrant only needs the CRIS number, which is available immediately when the first **application** is **completed** (i.e., submitted). So the first sentence of the second paragraph is correct.

But the next sentence makes an important word change when it says the application must be **processed**. This is not at all true! And since, by the way, I have final registration letters for joint registrants, and the applications still say "in process" on CFARS. LOL

This wouldn't be the first time DOJ has given blatantly poor information to us. You wouldn't believe the crap they've pulled. Read some of the threads in the FFL forum about FSC info being lost. 1/30 violations for exempt purchases. It's a joke sometimes.

[JpnNambusWanted]

need to change instructions: not one $15 fee

"The fee is $15 per person, per application, with no limit to the number of weapons on each application. Additional applications are $15 each, so it's best to do all your weapons at the same time. "

UPDATE/CORRECTION: To avoid a second charge, when coming back into the system, you first need to upload all the previous registrations into the current cart. THEN start adding more. If you forget to do this, then they will treat it as a "different day" and you cannot go back and move them later. I had to redo the ones I first did - delete them. But I was able to add more into my cart and was charge $15 once ONLY AFTER ADDING ALL THE PENDING REGISTRATION INTO THE CART FIRST.

(Basically, the DOJ person gave me somewhat false info /partially true. You can avoid the fee by moving all pendings into your cart before adding more. BUT if you've made the mistake of NOT moving pending items into your cart first, you cannot avoid the fee unless you cancel and resubmit them from scratch.)

Actually, it turns out its only $15 per application if its all done in the same day. if you input some one a Monday, then go back on a Tuesday, they will charge you $15 for each day. If you have a large collection, you're out of luck and have to do it all at once or pay each day you input portions of your bb firearms.

You'll get some error message that says the persons in the registrations are different. in fact, its denying you because even through the info is identical, you submitted some on one day, and submitted others on another day.

I called and they said it is a "glitch" in the system, and that it will not be corrected. The only work around is to input all registrations on the same day. They also acknowledged this isn't posted anywhere in the application form or either of the electronic carts. Its supposed to be in the guide book, which you can download from their site.

Probably too much to see them get sued for this, but maybe add to the list of grievances for how they are implementing this law. All the photos required, how your have to go through the forms over and over again, and now unnecessary fees without proper notice.

Here's what the DOJ wrote back to me through the system:
Because of how you created the transactions, you can only check one transaction (Trx#) from your pending cart to add to your shopping cart. Make sure you are adding the transaction from your pending cart to your shopping cart before creating additional submissions.

[CandG]

^interesting, thanks for that info. I need to do a bunch of revisions to the guide when I have time, I'll be sure to include that one.

[MountainLion]

(Discussion about the question of when a secondary registrant can start registration, brought on by an observation from acespawnshop above, and the message he received from CFARS support at the DoJ):

WOW! That's really disturbing to see completely wrong info from the DOJ. Completely untrue! Joint registrant only needs the CRIS number, which is available immediately when the first **application** is **completed** (i.e., submitted). So the first sentence of the second paragraph is correct.

But the next sentence makes an important word change when it says the application must be **processed**. This is not at all true! And since, by the way, I have final registration letters for joint registrants, and the applications still say "in process" on CFARS. LOL

The only mistake in the DoJ CFARS response is the word "processed" in the second paragraph. And then only if you interpret the word as meaning "all processing has been completed and the registration approved", which is the way it is interpreted in the status display when it says "in process". If you instead interpret the word as "the application has been entered completely and accepted into the database to the point where a CRIS number is generated", then the second sentence is also correct. If we complain too loudly about this one thing, we're making a mountain out of a molehill, and our real complaints get lost in the noise.

Obviously, the CRIS application is buggy and not user-friendly. That unfortunately can't be something we complain about, since there is no law that the DoJ (or the government in general) needs to be easy to use.

[manfred]

That is correct. The 2nd (and 3rd and ...) registrant need to know the CRIS number from the primary (1st) registrant, they need to know the name of the first registrant, and they need to enter the first registrant as the party they acquired the gun from.

Did you get an approval letter doing this? Others are stating to use the same info as the primary resistor.

[MountainLion]

No approval letter yet. But if you try to register as a second registrant, the only valid entry for "acquired from" is "family", the software insists on that.

Strangely, the software also insists that they enter the same acquisition date as the primary registrant. That creates an interesting corner case: Say my husband bought the gun in 2008. We only met in 2010, and got married in 2012. How can I claim to have acquired the gun in 2008, given that we had never even seen each other? Yet, the software insists that I acquired the gun from him, and it insists that the gun was acquired in 2008. This clearly means that the meaning of the word "acquired" must be different in these two places.

I think the logic behind this is complex, and has to do with a gun having a title: Like a vehicle or a piece of real estate, ownership in a gun can only be transferred in certain fashions, and for all practical purposes in California that is either the DROS or the OpLaw (which includes IntraFamilial). That means that a gun really has only one owner with title, and that is the person who was the beneficiary of the most recent DROS or OpLaw. Remember, a DROS can only be performed by one person, not by two, even if they are a married couple in a community property state. So the "acquisition date" question on the registration form really means "when did the titled owner acquire it". But multiple people can perform AW registration (under certain limitations, like immediate family and same residence). The "who acquire from" question for a second registrant really means "who gave you permission to register this rifle, which is owned by them". If you understand the questions this way, it all suddenly makes more sense. Note the exact wording of section 30900(b)(1): "Any person who ... lawfully possessed an assault weapon ... shall register ...". The test of the people who register is not the owner who holds title, but those who (through being immediate family in the same residence) have lawfully possessed.

[dyambao1]

So what type of photo equipment are you folks using?

I found my Cellphone S5 Galaxy is doing a poor job especially on the zoom photo of the BB installation.

I used my iPhone 7+ successfully for mine. Got my letter over 2 months ago too so no problems there.

[CandG]

By the way, I saw some discussion in here recently about Raddlocks not being manufactured or available anymore. I'm not sure if manufacturing has been discontinued or not, but certainly many retailers seem to be out of stock. But, if anyone needs any, you can still get them from Wing Tactical. I ordered 3 yesterday and they shipped out this morning.

[acespawnshop]

I used my iPhone 7+ successfully for mine. Got my letter over 2 months ago too so no problems there.

What was the timeframe from submission to approval for you?

[Majuki]

As an update, I finally received the submission confirmation notice e-mail today, after 5 weeks. Now I wait for the letter in the mail?

[Discogodfather]

Got my super letter today, all two pages, everything is in there. Took about 5 weeks for them to reg about 9 more. All previous stuff appears on new letter.

Whats strange is I did some firearms ownership reports (volreg) on a few I converted to featureless and they have not yet sent me anything. Did them at the same time too.

[flyer898]

I submitted registration for two AR rifles on Sunday and yesterday (Wednesday) I received two mails (one per rifle) from CFARS that they would begin processing the applications and notify me of the results by mail.

[Ford8N]

I submitted registration for two AR rifles on Sunday and yesterday (Wednesday) I received two mails (one per rifle) from CFARS that they would begin processing the applications and notify me of the results by mail.

[CandG]

Ok everyone, sorry about how long it's taken me to get around to updating this guide, but I just went through the last 10 pages or so of this thread to collect information/experiences and errors with the guide people have been reporting, and I've now updated both the OP and the printable PDF, which you can get here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a...5&d=1521757516

If anybody notices anything missing or wrong, please let me know.