80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

[Intel0116]

So after skimming over this thread I’m confused. I was under the impression that if you had a featureless 80% build and had it engraved per ATF requirements for engraving, that volreg was not required.
So this is wrong ?

[Cokebottle]

It is debated, but at this point the general feeling is that VolReg is required due to the clause referring to "in a central database"

Legally, if it is an AOW built from an 80% and approved by the BATFE than it would not require a separate "ghost gun" vol-reg. Likewise, if it was built by someone else, engraved, and transferred to you, or if you ever pawned it and repaid the pawn loan, it would have gone through the DROS process.

[BMartin1776]

So after skimming over this thread I’m confused. I was under the impression that if you had a featureless 80% build and had it engraved per ATF requirements for engraving, that volreg was not required.
So this is wrong ?

Per AB857 registration is not req'd for 80's, BUT CADOJ has proposed a rule change (hearing was Mar 19th) that DOES NOT req legislative approval to require ALL home built weapons to be registered regardless of when or how they were built.

What the status is of the rule change is unknown, but this is CA, it is lawless making unconstitutional laws 24/7/365 so do the math. You have until June 30 to engrave with your own serial and vol register.

What theyre doing is illegal but NO ONE is stopping them, and no one here has the money to challenge them in court, even though countless scotus rulings say laws passed are in violation of the Constitution are null and void.

http://www.benabraham.com/html/untouchable_us_constitution_-_precedents_-_case_law.html

[ar15barrels]

They sure don't help you by omitting the barrel lengths and calibers from the returned sheet.

I made a spreadsheet before I did my 1008 forms.
The returned letter with all the fmbus numbers followed the exact order that I submitted.

[shaocaholica]

Like has been said, its in order. If you still have a copy of the bof-1008 you sent in (hope you didn't throw away the only paper copy), it will be the order that's on that form.

[SiggleWiggle]

So to clarify. Ab857 says we need to have engraved a serial number.
If we want to engrave our own serial number do we need to engrave only: name, city/state, serial number?
Or do we need to engrave to ATF spec?
Intent is to do a VolReg with own serial number before July.

Trying to clarify because during VolReg on CFARS it states that model and caliber are required fields that need to be filled in. Does that mean we have to engrave model and caliber also, I.e., ATF spec. Or do we just need to engrave name, city/state and then just fill in what you want on the CFARS model and caliber field? Thanks

[Strykeback]

So to clarify. Ab857 says we need to have engraved a serial number.
If we want to engrave our own serial number do we need to engrave only: name, city/state, serial number?
Or do we need to engrave to ATF spec?
Intent is to do a VolReg with own serial number before July.

Trying to clarify because during VolReg on CFARS it states that model and caliber are required fields that need to be filled in. Does that mean we have to engrave model and caliber also, I.e., ATF spec. Or do we just need to engrave name, city/state and then just fill in what you want on the CFARS model and caliber field? Thanks

I would think just as normal flf bought lowers have multi engraved on the caliber section, it was my plan to do multi as well. In case I want to switch calibers on my 9 or 5.56 lowers.

So no picture required if we voluntarily register 80 percent built pistols that now have fixed mags? And were obviously built with single shot break top beginnings?

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[Cokebottle]

So to clarify. Ab857 says we need to have engraved a serial number.
If we want to engrave our own serial number do we need to engrave only: name, city/state, serial number?
Or do we need to engrave to ATF spec?
Intent is to do a VolReg with own serial number before July.

Trying to clarify because during VolReg on CFARS it states that model and caliber are required fields that need to be filled in. Does that mean we have to engrave model and caliber also, I.e., ATF spec. Or do we just need to engrave name, city/state and then just fill in what you want on the CFARS model and caliber field? Thanks

Everything must be engraved to BATFE spec.
Builder's name, city, model, caliber, serial number, 1/8" high and 1/64" deep minimum.

On CFARS, manufacturer is "US" even though your name is engraved.

[shaocaholica]

Everything must be engraved to BATFE spec.
Builder's name, city, model, caliber, serial number, 1/8" high and 1/64" deep minimum.

On CFARS, manufacturer is "US" even though your name is engraved.

I thought ATF spec is 1/16" minimum height, not 1/8". Most factories do 1/8" because its easier to read but I think I've read people do NFA engravings as 1/16" minimum to be more discreet while still legal.

edit: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...onpdf/download

page 2, section 1

[Cokebottle]

I thought ATF spec is 1/16" minimum height, not 1/8". Most factories do 1/8" because its easier to read but I think I've read people do NFA engravings as 1/16" minimum to be more discreet while still legal.

edit: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/...onpdf/download

page 2, section 1

There ya go... 1/16"
My P380 engraving is just over 3/32 high, the plate itself is 9/64

[BMartin1776]

Yep 1/16 min font size at .003 depth is in law, black and white.

[shaocaholica]

Does the barrel length on your 1008 form get put into a database? For instance, if I put 16.1” on my 1008 for a gun with my own SN and then I AWreg that gun but with a 18” barrel, will that be a kickback? Has anyone got a kickback from AWreg because something didn’t cross match 1008?

[PatC415]

I have several home-builts made prior to AB857. All have been converted to fixed mag, all have been engraved per BATF specs.
Are they still exempt from any type of registration?

[ar15barrels]

I have several home-builts made prior to AB857. All have been converted to fixed mag, all have been engraved per BATF specs.
Are they still exempt from any type of registration?

Once it is in a "central registry", you are all good.
The easiest way to achieve that is to volreg it before july of this year.
If you wait until after june 30th, you wil need to request a serial number from the state and then engrave that and photograph it within 10 days.

[PatC415]

Once it is in a "central registry", you are all good.
The easiest way to achieve that is to volreg it before july of this year.
If you wait until after june 30th, you wil need to request a serial number from the state and then engrave that and photograph it within 10 days.

Wow, the screws are tightening.
Is it the typical volreg form on the DOJ website?
What would one put for "model" in AR fixed mag config?