80% lowers MERGED THREADS - please ask in here, not a new thread

[Easyrider1269]

Sorry if this has been talked about. I searched and couldn't find a thread on it.

If I build a homebuilt AR from an 80% lower and I use an Armaglock, can I skip getting a serial number and regeneration?

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See bubbapug1's "How I Did It" thread from May, 2017 -

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1337537

// Librarian

[Nguyen]

Sorry if this has been talked about. I searched and couldn't find a thread on it.

If I build a homebuilt AR from an 80% lower and I use an Armaglock, can I skip getting a serial number and regeneration?

You didn't search hard enough.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1194330

This one is on the house.

[Easyrider1269]

Thanks

[Easyrider1269]

Didn't help. I already know about AB857.

I'm trying to specially find out if I use an ARMAGLOCK or similar magazine locking device, can I legally skip serializing and registering just like if I use a Maglock on my serialized rifles?

[Quiet]

If you make a semi-auto centerfire rifle with a fixed 10 round magazine that can not be removed without dissembling the firearm's action from an "80% receiver", then it is not considered an assault weapon.

Since it is not an assault weapon, it can/does not need to be registered as an assault weapon during the 2017 grace period (01-01-2017 to 12-31-2017).

However...

Starting 01-01-2019, all home built firearms need to be marked and any unmarked home built firearm will be illegal to possess.

If the home built firearm is not marked by 06-30-2018, then the owner will need to apply to CA DOJ for approved/provided marking information. This process will register the home built firearm as a non-assault weapon with CA DOJ.

If the home built firearm is marked before 07-01-2018, then the owner/maker can legally mark the firearm with whatever information they want (as long as it meets BATFE marking requirements). This will not register the home built firearm with CA DOJ.

[Easyrider1269]

Thanks a lot! It's so great to just get a quality answer!

So to get this straight; if I build my own rifle and mark it myself with BATFE approved markings BEFORE 7-1-18, then I don't have to apply for a DOJ serial number, nor do I need to notify the DOJ that I have a home built rifle?

[Quiet]

So to get this straight; if I build my own rifle and mark it myself with BATFE approved markings BEFORE 7-1-18, then I don't have to apply for a DOJ serial number, nor do I need to notify the DOJ that I have a home built rifle?

Correct.

The firearm does need to be configured to comply with CA laws.
^Semi-auto centerfire rifle needs to be featureless or needs to use a fixed 10 round magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action.

[Easyrider1269]

Great, thanks! BTW, I'm understanding now that our own marking doesn't need to meet BATFE guidelines. That it can be any marking as long as it's before the law goes into effect. Hopefully, that gets cleared up to...

[GunnerMichael]

AR Pilstol Build legality, 80% lower

I know there have been tons of other questions asked similar to this but my question is very specific to a build I would like to do. MODS, PLEASE DONT DELEATE AS THIS IS REGARDING MORE THAN JUST THE NEW AW LAWS.

I have been researching the legality of building an AR Pistol from a 80% Lower for a single shot for the range. This is what I have gather, please correct me if I am wrong.

I can purchase an 80% lower, mill it out, engrave serialization numbers according to the ATF (Manufacturer, Caliber, Serial Number, ETC. And as of now I don't have to request these numbers from the ATF, I can just make them up.), then build the AR Pistol as a single shot. At this point it would be a legal single shot AR Pistol. Am I correct?

Because of the upcoming AW laws I could build it before 1/1/17 and register it as a RAW before 1/1/18. After it has been registered as a RAW, if I so chose (I am not intending to do this but want to know if it is an option), I could make some changes like add a 10 round mag and a mag release button (not a BB but a real mag release), as long as it complies with federal laws (meaning I don't make it an AW in the eye of the feds) this will be a legal AR Pistol. Am I correct?

I could then have an AR pistol with a removable 10 round mag. Is this correct?

This is what I have figured to be true from what I have researched but a lot of the info in contradictory and confusing. Let me know if your understanding of the law is different. I know we are all waiting for the ATF to hand down the AW registration laws but I am basing this of off what we are expecting.

Thanks.

[dvs762]

nobody knows yet

[GunnerMichael]

"I can purchase an 80% lower, mill it out, then build the AR Pistol as a single shot. At this point it would be a legal single shot AR Pistol. Am I correct?"

What about this part? This only pertains to current law.

Do I need to serialize it to be legal after 2018? I though there was already a law about home serializing 80% builds.

[edgerly779]

Yes you can build it but read posts on this don't buy a polymer 80% lower very difficult to serialize legally . Don't know anyone who knows how. Quiet posted pc on this in last 24 hours.

[dvs762]

you could in theory...serial number the aluminum buffer tube IF you made it a permanent part of the receiver..and that would be the hard part..similar to the Sub2000 with the SN on the receiver/spring tube...in theory..

[edgerly779]

^^^ Not with polymer.

[GunnerMichael]

I think that answered my question sort of. Thanks for the help.

I'm glad you brought up the polymer thing because I was considering doing one. Here is what I found: to legally serialize a polymer lower you need to attach a piece of metal to the side that meets the ATFs standard and put the serial info on the metal piece. I bet there will be a million ideas of how to do this. I could see it being done with some well places rivets. Also, it's easy to heat metal and push it into polymer, I bet someone will come out with plates with posts sticking out the back designed for this. But that might be for another thread.

definitely gives me something to think about.