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It appears one vendor of magnetic BulletButton-style maglock overrides ("Supertool") is alleging to some folks
that I "called the DOJ" on vendors & buyers of such devices:
Firstly, my name is spelled WIESE.
[BTW, it's also Chuck MICHEL - not "Chuck Mitchell" - when you were invoking his name to someone I trust
who reported this directly to me. ]
Secondly, I didn't & do not call the DOJ on technical CA firearms violations. That simply doesn't help
gunrights, and I'm not part of the nanny state either. They can earn their own damn money.
AND I DON'T CONTROL WHEN DOJ COMES TO A GUNSHOW. They're pretty good at that on their own.
I - like many friends here - try to warn people about firearm products that are more than likely to be misused -
esp given their quite limited legal scope of usage on various firearms.
With the negative stance in the Nguyen case raising the bar for conduct, such devices are even more problematic
esp. with regard to "intent". You really wanna be able to show likelihood/intent of legal outcome in such matters
when DAs easily see such a device category as 'overriding a compliance device', and esp if you don't have possibility
of those outcomes in your immediate possession.
The number of arrests/convictions involving magnetic BB overrides in recent times is pretty high.
The CA DOJ BoF doesn't need me, nor anyone else, pointing things out to them they already see: for years they've
frequently been undercover at larger gun shows esp in/near metro areas - and, despite all our legitimate haranguing
here on CGN of their various actions & competency - will occasionally get some things right, especially "low hanging
fruit" like these matters.
[NB. I had contacted the front door Templeton show mgmt a couple of times to try to get such vendors
(not any one specific one, but the category in general) removed as "harmful to gun rights". In both
cases I got "the product was technically legal" and a shrug, even when I said that illegal conduct
was happening in one vendor's demo.] It appears that show mgmt would rather have the $75 from the
booth table sales than worry about harm to gun rights with such a readily misrepresented product.]
SuperTool is indeed apparently smart enough to not demonstrate felonious activity at shows, as they've not been
arrested or had products seized - unlike at least one other vendor of an essentially similar product. Their product,
standing alone, is not prohibited but as we all know, CA gun law is a lot more complex than that. I do not track
whether the various such arrests/convictions actually involve a SuperTool or a product from Brands X or Y or Z,
because that is immaterial - magnetic maglock override devices are pretty much functionally identical, regardless of
branding, and the "tool" aura is dishonorably invoked by various vendors to muddle in with the "tool" mentioned in
CA 11 CCR 5469(a) regulatory definition of 'detachable magazine'
Note that people abusing unlockable BBs with allen wrenches in their pocket have risk too, esp if LE sees something
at a distance. The _effective_ burden of proof then becomes for you to show you didn't do something and didn't
intend to violate law. Having a properly configured rifle without such controversy immediately accessible to you helps
pass the 'smell test', and regular BB-style maglock'd rifles are now "old hat" to most CA LEOs after the last 7 years.
BTW I think in recent year or so a fair fraction of 'technical CA AW violations' charged for post-2006 guns may well've
been due to such magnetic overrides given number of cases
[NB: Would I contact LE about certain violations? Sure, in certain limited manner...
1. like many of us here would - stopping real bad guys trying to illegally garner firearms for criminal purposes. [You
think those various nefarious prohibited parties buying illegally from various BATF-raided "80% gamers" (Sacto area,
etc.) are remotely helpful to our rights?]
2. In limited circumstances where a CA LEO illegally acquires/possesses various prohibited guns and where pushback:
(1) can directly aid in someone's legal defense, (hey, turnabout is fair play);
(2) have a reasonable chance of political bite-back, aiding any fixup legislation, etc. See recent SFPD drug lab scandal
to understand city/county costs & DA outcomes and why this might be a valuable tool... ]
that I "called the DOJ" on vendors & buyers of such devices:
Originally posted by SuperTool
Firstly, my name is spelled WIESE.
[BTW, it's also Chuck MICHEL - not "Chuck Mitchell" - when you were invoking his name to someone I trust
who reported this directly to me. ]
Secondly, I didn't & do not call the DOJ on technical CA firearms violations. That simply doesn't help
gunrights, and I'm not part of the nanny state either. They can earn their own damn money.
AND I DON'T CONTROL WHEN DOJ COMES TO A GUNSHOW. They're pretty good at that on their own.
I - like many friends here - try to warn people about firearm products that are more than likely to be misused -
esp given their quite limited legal scope of usage on various firearms.
With the negative stance in the Nguyen case raising the bar for conduct, such devices are even more problematic
esp. with regard to "intent". You really wanna be able to show likelihood/intent of legal outcome in such matters
when DAs easily see such a device category as 'overriding a compliance device', and esp if you don't have possibility
of those outcomes in your immediate possession.
The number of arrests/convictions involving magnetic BB overrides in recent times is pretty high.
The CA DOJ BoF doesn't need me, nor anyone else, pointing things out to them they already see: for years they've
frequently been undercover at larger gun shows esp in/near metro areas - and, despite all our legitimate haranguing
here on CGN of their various actions & competency - will occasionally get some things right, especially "low hanging
fruit" like these matters.
[NB. I had contacted the front door Templeton show mgmt a couple of times to try to get such vendors
(not any one specific one, but the category in general) removed as "harmful to gun rights". In both
cases I got "the product was technically legal" and a shrug, even when I said that illegal conduct
was happening in one vendor's demo.] It appears that show mgmt would rather have the $75 from the
booth table sales than worry about harm to gun rights with such a readily misrepresented product.]
SuperTool is indeed apparently smart enough to not demonstrate felonious activity at shows, as they've not been
arrested or had products seized - unlike at least one other vendor of an essentially similar product. Their product,
standing alone, is not prohibited but as we all know, CA gun law is a lot more complex than that. I do not track
whether the various such arrests/convictions actually involve a SuperTool or a product from Brands X or Y or Z,
because that is immaterial - magnetic maglock override devices are pretty much functionally identical, regardless of
branding, and the "tool" aura is dishonorably invoked by various vendors to muddle in with the "tool" mentioned in
CA 11 CCR 5469(a) regulatory definition of 'detachable magazine'
Note that people abusing unlockable BBs with allen wrenches in their pocket have risk too, esp if LE sees something
at a distance. The _effective_ burden of proof then becomes for you to show you didn't do something and didn't
intend to violate law. Having a properly configured rifle without such controversy immediately accessible to you helps
pass the 'smell test', and regular BB-style maglock'd rifles are now "old hat" to most CA LEOs after the last 7 years.
BTW I think in recent year or so a fair fraction of 'technical CA AW violations' charged for post-2006 guns may well've
been due to such magnetic overrides given number of cases
[NB: Would I contact LE about certain violations? Sure, in certain limited manner...
1. like many of us here would - stopping real bad guys trying to illegally garner firearms for criminal purposes. [You
think those various nefarious prohibited parties buying illegally from various BATF-raided "80% gamers" (Sacto area,
etc.) are remotely helpful to our rights?]
2. In limited circumstances where a CA LEO illegally acquires/possesses various prohibited guns and where pushback:
(1) can directly aid in someone's legal defense, (hey, turnabout is fair play);
(2) have a reasonable chance of political bite-back, aiding any fixup legislation, etc. See recent SFPD drug lab scandal
to understand city/county costs & DA outcomes and why this might be a valuable tool... ]
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