Contrary to "SuperTool" allegations, I didn't "call DOJ" on any personl/vendor...

[five.five-six]

That is actually not true. It is still considered a gray area.

If you squint your eyes from far enough away it looks gray






You should volunteer to be the test case

[taperxz]

If you squint your eyes from far enough away it looks gray






You should volunteer to be the test case

If you need a test its a grey area. Which means its unsettled law. In other words, you should not call it illegal with 100% certainty.

Bill is making sure no one becomes the test case because its not worth the trouble for such a mechanism.

[five.five-six]

First, I was being sarcastic about the test case, second if you're sure its legal walk right into the local PD and show it to them.

[onewheelwes]

CA Friendly super tool. Send me $19.99 and I will send you a set of plans to build your own.
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Don't turn me in Bill.

[IVC]

Buying a magnetic BB tool is a lot like buying porn. You can deny it till the cows come home but we all know what you are going to do with it.

Hey, I thought articles were pretty good in Playboy...

[1CavScout]

Buying a magnetic BB tool is a lot like buying porn. You can deny it till the cows come home but we all know what you are going to do with it.

I use mine in AZ, because sometimes I don't feel like swapping out mag releases if I am just out there for a couple days of shooting. I never use them in CA, but they live in my shooting bag.

[taperxz]

First, I was being sarcastic about the test case, second if you're sure its legal walk right into the local PD and show it to them.

It doesn't matter what the PD says. It matters what the judge says. Ironically, these days, it wouldn't surprise me to hear a judge actually say that if it is a tool designed to press the button on the BB that it would be legal.

It could also go the other way.

I also think certain judges would not convict based on the letter of the current BB law. The legislature had its chance to ban the mag magnet but they didn't.

Good lawyering, common sense, and following the current law may make it legal in todays definition of a tool.

Grey Area.

[taperxz]

Lets have a little fun here.

What if the BB "button" was magnetized? BB's are legal per law and the courts. HMMMMM

[five.five-six]

I use mine in AZ, because sometimes I don't feel like swapping out mag releases if I am just out there for a couple days of shooting. I never use them in CA, but they live in my shooting bag.

I shoot in Arizona too, don't you worry in the least that you might forget and leave it in there when you come back? It's a straight up felony. 10 years in jail, lose all your gun rights for life, tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, that sort of thing.

[taperxz]

I shoot in Arizona too, don't you worry in the least that you might forget and leave it in there when you come back? It's a straight up felony. 10 years in jail, lose all your gun rights for life, tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, that sort of thing.

Stop! Give me an example of this kind of prosecution. Give me a court that has done this.

[1CavScout]

I shoot in Arizona too, don't you worry in the least that you might forget and leave it in there when you come back? It's a straight up felony. 10 years in jail, lose all your gun rights for life, tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, that sort of thing.

On the guns that I take back and forth, I actually have red tags that I hang around the barrel when they are in the safe. I check to make sure the gun is CA compliant before it goes into a case to come back home.

[vintagearms]

Thats clear and should be common sense to all folks. It just creates a regular mag release. Just curious as to why the fear and posts to steer clear from owning one as if it made you a felon for buying and possessing one.

People have misused them and the vendors have a "wink and a nod" policy when selling them. I think Bill here is just trying to give clarity before someone gets hauled into court over them.

[five.five-six]

On the guns that I take back and forth, I actually have red tags that I hang around the barrel when they are in the safe. I check to make sure the gun is CA compliant before it goes into a case to come back home.

That's smart. I would hate to see you end up arrested for something so very stupid that shouldn't even be illegal in the first place.

[colossians323]

[bomb_on_bus]

Im not too clear on what you meant. Are you saying its a gray area to possess a small round magnet? Id have to disagree. With that logic, its a gray area to possess the mag release button that comes in your lower parts kit because you might install it in state....

Possession of the magnet and having that magnet put into the bullet button allowing for quicker detachment of magazines are 2 different areas. The Gray area is was referring to is where the magnet remains affixed to the rifle atop of the bullet button.

So far I haven't seen any court rulings on this and the advice I have gleaned from calguns is to stay away from having some sort of magnet device affixed to the bullet button.