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  • CSDsofaKing
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 52

    What about Radlock's?
    I'm so Gangsta, I Crip Walk like Stephen Hawking.....

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    • IPSICK
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 4259

      Originally posted by XD40SUBBIE
      I guess you didn't see the thread where CG folks were upset with Mr. Patent Pending for peddling his crap at the Cow Palace gun show?
      I'm aware of it but I don't fully agree with the dislike, even though I don't own a Mag Magnet.
      "When you get the (men) to the range, you just get the men. But when you bring the (women) to the range, you get the (whole family). And that's what's going to save our 2nd Amendment."--Dianna Liedorff

      "Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X

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      • XD40SUBBIE
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 621

        "This bill would, commencing July 1, 2013, and with certain
        exceptions, prohibit any person from importing, making, selling,
        loaning, transferring, or possessing any conversion kit, as defined,
        designed solely and exclusively to convert certain
        firearms with a fixed magazine into firearms with the capacity to
        accept a detachable magazine and other features making the firearm an
        assault weapon and would make violations subject to criminal
        penalties."

        After listening to the audio of the hearing and reading this again, I think Yee et al, really have no clue what he is after. I think he is out to ban the magnetic button and the bullet button and seem to think they are one and the same. I don't think he has even seen one, outside that of the local CBS SF affiliate that covered this. He calls it "magbutton", which I think many of use are assuming as the magnetic tool that are selling to bypass the bullet button. But I am now under the impression that he is referring to the mag, as in magazine button - bullet button, that allows the fixed magazine of a AR style semi-automatic rifle to release a magazine so it can be replaced with another. Maybe we can send the man one of the commerative ones in the Stop SB249 site...
        Last edited by XD40SUBBIE; 07-03-2012, 1:36 PM.
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        • IPSICK
          Veteran Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 4259

          Originally posted by OlderThanDirt
          After listening to the entire committee hearing, I can now understand why California is on the verge of financial collapse. First, the committee was completely unprofessional; starting late and making jokes about a bromance and someone's MENSA traits (or lack thereof). Second, most of the committee members don't seem to really care what is in the bill, only that it is anti-gun so it's good enough to pass. Third, it was painfully obvious that Yee and his little Brady munchkin are clearly going after the bullet button and virtually all semiautomatic rifles. The Brady munchkin was at least honest about what she wants, while Yee is either (1) too stupid to understand the issue or (2) a flat out liar. The intent seems to pass a bill that is so vague that the CA DOJ can interpret it any way they want and pass rules banning whole classes of firearms. While it made for good theater for one committee member to express the need for the DOJ to be involved, since they are the "experts", I think they are already involved behind the scenes and will not emerge from behind the curtain until the bill has been passed and signed.
          Winner, winner, chicken dinner! Sounds like they are trying a legislative approach to allowing new definitions in the CCR. I wouldn't be surprised if after passage they attempt to have the definition of "conversion kits" to include bullet buttons. They could have Mag Magnets tattooed the outside of their lips but deep down to the core they are after everything.
          "When you get the (men) to the range, you just get the men. But when you bring the (women) to the range, you get the (whole family). And that's what's going to save our 2nd Amendment."--Dianna Liedorff

          "Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X

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          • AeroEngi
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2010
            • 2887

            Originally posted by njineermike
            Yes. The millions of mag magnets they will be forced to repurchase at state expense. And by the required date, there will likely BE millions.
            Who says they're gonna BUY them back? They've already shown that they don't care about the Constitution. What makes you think they'll follow it and buy back legally purchased property?

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            • rtlltj
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2008
              • 780

              Is there any difference law wise between the mag magnet and other items like the Freelock mini kit that you can unscrew when your out of state? Doesn't Yee realize if someone really wanted to keep their AR-15 in an illegal state wouldn't they just install the original magazine release? I have a hard time believing someone is going to install a bullet button and then go rob a bank with their mag magnet.
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              • IPSICK
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2005
                • 4259

                Originally posted by XD40SUBBIE
                ...
                After listening to the audio of the hearing and reading this again, I think Yee et al, really have no clue what he is after...
                They know what they are after, they just have no intelligent way of getting after it. But apparently, considering the intelligence of most of the committee and the supporters of this bill, it won't matter. The vagueness is written so AG/DOJ "experts" can define it for them (us).
                "When you get the (men) to the range, you just get the men. But when you bring the (women) to the range, you get the (whole family). And that's what's going to save our 2nd Amendment."--Dianna Liedorff

                "Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X

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                • IPSICK
                  Veteran Member
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 4259

                  Originally posted by FairfaxCA
                  "Goes to Governor" Is Gov Brown still pro gun like he was back in the day?
                  We'll find out for sure in a couple months. If he's not necessarily pro-gun, I'd want to believe he is pro-Constitution.
                  "When you get the (men) to the range, you just get the men. But when you bring the (women) to the range, you get the (whole family). And that's what's going to save our 2nd Amendment."--Dianna Liedorff

                  "Since self-preservation is the 1st law of nature, we assert the...right to self-defense. The Constitution...clearly affirms the right of every American...to bear arms. And as Americans, we will not give up a single right guaranteed under the Constitution." --Malcolm X

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                  • XD40SUBBIE
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 621

                    Originally posted by IPSICK
                    They know what they are after, they just have no intelligent way of getting after it. But apparently, considering the intelligence of most of the committee and the supporters of this bill, it won't matter. The vagueness is written so AG/DOJ "experts" can define it for them (us).
                    Which is what I am afraid of. If left to the KGB, I mean the DOJ, we are screwed. That's what Brady bunch chick was squacking about.
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                    • AyatollahGondola
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1162

                      Originally posted by gixxnrocket
                      I must admit I am no legal scholar or claim to entirely understand California's Legislative procedures. However, At what point if any can the oposition in these hearings force Yee to clearly define "conversion Kit". Or since he verbaly clarified the intent as anti-Magmagnet, can the AB still be ammended to specify only the use of a Mag Magnet as the offence?
                      .
                      Opposition cannot force a house member to amend anything per se, but.. you can possibly influence what is published in regards to what the committee reads or what's spoken about. Write a position paper to the committee, and do so right after the bill is recieved by the committee. This is about the only chance you'll have to get a concern into the bills analysis, which gets published and is in the hands of the committee members. I authored a position paper for Save Our State a few weeks ago, and it went to print this week
                      See arguments in opposition:


                      The only other way to cause a bill's author to amend any bill is attacking all of his bills. This gives he or she pause to appropriate resources to the most treasured of the bills. Much of what you see in these committees is already decided prior, as you'll often see some on the committee leave or fail to show. But they vote without the testimony later, showing that a committee hearing was a mere formality. All of these bill hustlers are trading favors and votes, so it might very well upset the whole process to give every single bill of theirs the gauntlet.

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                      • krisjon
                        Member
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 379

                        Yee has been very clear in the past that he wants anything resembling an assault rifle (legal today or not) to be illegal in the future. He's said he sees no reason for people to own them and that they are a danger to public safety.

                        The vague language of this bill as it stands (and is open to DOJ interpretation) is dangerous. As others have said, it's a stepping stone to outright bans of entire classes of weapons.

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                        • SA227driver
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 1373

                          If this bill passes, make way for the rise of the Mini-14 in California!!!
                          NRA, CGF, GSSF, SAF member
                          Certified Glock Armorer 2011, 2016

                          "Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. -Psalm 144:1

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                          • Slick209
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 98

                            Sorry everybody about the ''the less guns the better'' part I've been cut & pasting it all over the web! Don't forget your Facebook and Google+ friends. I got people who don't even own guns to sign it.

                            SB 249 will next be considered by the Assembly Appropriations Committee
                            Last edited by Slick209; 07-03-2012, 1:57 PM.

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                            • ohlone
                              Member
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 346

                              and kel-tec 16CA? maybe they have shares in ruger?

                              Originally posted by SA227driver
                              If this bill passes, make way for the rise of the Mini-14 in California!!!

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                              • darthnugget
                                Member
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 351

                                Originally posted by njineermike
                                Yes. The millions of mag magnets they will be forced to repurchase at state expense. And by the required date, there will likely BE millions.
                                Someone should work out a deal with MagMagnet to have them start giving away tens of millions more away free if you are a California resident. Then the cost of the bill would be too great it would get smashed and they could keep making and selling their product.

                                10,000,000 x $8.99 each = $89.9 million dollars. There is no way this would survive the public media outcry to curb government waste!
                                Last edited by darthnugget; 07-03-2012, 2:20 PM.
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