Why epoxy magazine blocks

[Seesm]

I know more than a few of us have high caps... (legally owned pre ban of course)

But I think it is funny they say it has to be permanent but you can own legal (apart) rebuilds or for use out of the state with no constructive possession... (Having not owned std capacity mags prior to 12-31-99)

So if it is ok APART or ok TOGETHER with a block that limits it to 10 rds WHO CARES? Ahhh that is right some law maker in CA. does...

Did that make sense to you all? I know it did in my head but maybe not here after I typed it all.

[Meplat]

To those smart asses who always insist on saying: "use the search function."

Have you ever tried to use the 'search function' on this site?

[fevillago]

does anybody have the contact info for this place:

http://magazineblocks.com/

this one keeps failing to receive: info@zladner.com

[Vinz]

This has been debated for so many years.

i agree, a stock 10 rounder can be disassembled and bend a tang to hold 12 rounds.

to be safe I build them to what I feel the word permanent means. Unreversable within resonable means.
I play on the side of caution. Remember the same guys that will put this to the test are the same guys that will pull out a 4ft breaker bar to test to see if your permanently attatched flash hider on your 14.5" barrel is infact permanent.

I'd love to push the issue but I don't have 10 grand to spend on lawyer fees and I like having the ability to own my guns.
To me its not worth the trouble.
Vinz

[Saym14]

Assuming that the dictionary and/or textbook definition of a word will fall in line with the legal definition of a word is not the kind of approach you want to use when attempting to operate within the confines of law, CA law especially.

well if permanant is NOT defined in the penal code then where else would a reasonable person turn ? the dictionary? the common english meaning of the word?

[DedEye]

To those smart asses who always insist on saying: "use the search function."

Have you ever tried to use the 'search function' on this site?

That's why I just link people to the FAQ. If they ask a question that has already been asked within the last week and is sometimes STILL ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE FORUM THEY'RE POSTING ON, then I let them know how much I hate them.

[Purple K]

Let's look at the newest version of mag block for the Pmag from magazineblocks.com. You must disassemble the magazine and REMOVE one OEM part. Then that OEM part is replaced with the new part and the magazine is reassembled to hold ten rounds. This is just as permanent at many of my 10-rd OEM pistol magazines that are NOT glued. Just pop the floorplate off of a few of your California neutered pistol magazines and see how permanent they are.

[Fate]

That's why I just link people to the FAQ. If they ask a question that has already been asked within the last week and is sometimes STILL ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE FORUM THEY'RE POSTING ON, then I let them know how much I hate them.

You know, that Wiki might be useful if you had relevant Penal Code noted at each question. As it is now, it "could just be" someone's opinion. Gotta have documented backup.

"But officer, the CalGuns Wiki page says the answer is 'No' to that question."

[DedEye]

You know, that Wiki might be useful if you had relevant Penal Code noted at each question. As it is now, it "could just be" someone's opinion. Gotta have documented backup.

"But officer, the CalGuns Wiki page says the answer is 'No' to that question."

Very true. As mentioned multiple times, the wiki is a work in progress. One of the things I plan to do tonight or this weekend is start citing the references for the answers.

Feel free to help if you have time. I can explain everything via PM.

[blackbox]

Wow, posted this morning and now there's 4 pages of responses...

theres your error in logic.. "permanent enough to me" does not mean jack. there are pretty clear rules to follow here.

I know that my opinion (and yours) is meaningless as far as the law is concerned. Thats why I asked for an expert to weigh in. And there are absolutely not "pretty clear rules to follow", LOL.

EVERTHING has already been discussed in "other threads." So why do the interweb keyboard slingers always belch out something about "go search" or post a roll eyes ever time someone who HASN'T been here for years asks a very simple question?

FWIW, I have been here for years, and I'm asking a different question, about a product that didn't freaking exist several months ago. Sorry if that part flew over anybody's head.

This thread actually did a good job of examining several issues being discussed. Permanence being one of them.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=139687

Haven't read all 10 pages of that yet, but a removable block that is inserted and NOT part of the baseplate seems fundamentally different.

Unless someone can present evidence otherwise, I'm going to work with the definition that using one of the new magblocks creates a 10 round magazine. Replacing the floorplate with a different piece that does not include a block would be "manufacturing a highcap magazine" at that point.

Sure would be nice if the DOJ would give some guidance that didn't start with "47 different DA's..."

(note that this is theoretical - I don't actually have any of these yet).

[Fate]

Haven't read all 10 pages of that yet, but a removable block that is inserted and NOT part of the baseplate seems fundamentally different.

The discussion of permanence being tossed about here is in there. Yes the block is different, but the permanence discussion is the relevant part.

[Saym14]

true - where in the PC is permanant defined? if not defined it must fall back to the common dictionary definition.

lets see: Permanant residency is a legal term. does that mean you can NEVER move out of state again? NO - you could become a permanant resident and move out in a year if you wish.

[Zachs300zx]

does anybody have the contact info for this place:

http://magazineblocks.com/

this one keeps failing to receive: info@zladner.com

You can PM me here. I'm not sure why that address is not forwarding to me.

well if permanant is NOT defined in the penal code then where else would a reasonable person turn ? the dictionary? the common english meaning of the word?

That's a good question. Is there a magical legal dictionary that the CA courts use?

Well a lot of good discussion here on this topic. I designed these because I didn't want to use epoxy on the baseplate and wanted to retain the ability to clean my mags. Now I do send info with every block sold that buyers must make the modification permanent and using epoxy on the baseplate is one method. But, that's not what I do for my personal magazines.
-I just epoxy the spring to the bottom of the replacement block and I'm done!
Any thought on this technique?

[scoob_i_e]

I agree with that sentiment.... Who cares anyway if a given question is asked again and again.


YOU WOULD THINK THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUST BE GLAD THAT SOMEONE IS INTERESTED IN STAYING LEGAL.

EVERTHING has already been discussed in "other threads." So why do the interweb keyboard slingers always belch out something about "go search" or post a roll eyes ever time someone who HASN'T been here for years asks a very simple question? Who cares? If they wanted to search for it, they would. But the wheels of EVERY board run on new posts. It's how the owners can provide horsepower to potential advertisers about hits per day, members and new posts.

So either post a link with more relevant information or answer the questions asked. I'm sure the folks paying the bills would appreciate it.... seriously.

[Rob454]

Anything that is converted at home IMO can be unconverted at home also.
The only way you are gonna have a 10 round mag is to make a mag that cannot accept anything more than 10 rounds. Like a factory SKS with the attachable mag.