(GENERAL How Does Registration Work thread)

[Mayor McRifle]

I did and she said, "Oh, we have to send an approval letter? We don't have a system for that yet..."

Hardly surprising. They didn't think anyone would try to register a year early.

[Discogodfather]

Not yet. All mine still show the Status as, "In Progress".

Has anyone contacted DOJ to ask what the timeframe for approval letters is?

Some people reporting phone calls with DOJ and they are saying they have no system to approve anything yet. This could be complete clown shoes time and they could have mistakenly opened before they could actually approve.

Doesn't surprise me one bit.

[Flintlock Tom]

The law does not require the DOJ to send an "approval letter." Nor are you required to prove to LEOs that your "BBAW" is registered. (They have to prove that it is not.)

[Discogodfather]

The law does not require the DOJ to send an "approval letter." Nor are you required to prove to LEOs that your "BBAW" is registered. (They have to prove that it is not.)

They will end up claiming they need to "prove it" down at the station, and then 8 months later give it back. I travel with my paperwork, one in the rifle and the other on me.

[PMACA_MFG]

Were any of the 20 registered with a standard mag release, because they were now under 30" or had a post 8/4/17 evil flash suppressor/hider?

[Brown Rock]

They will end up claiming they need to "prove it" down at the station, and then 8 months later give it back.

That's how they do it. I was watching an old DOJ training video on "assault weapons" and that's what they tell LEO to do.

[shoutitoutshutitup]

They will end up claiming they need to "prove it" down at the station, and then 8 months later give it back. I travel with my paperwork, one in the rifle and the other on me.

That's how they do it. I was watching an old DOJ training video on "assault weapons" and that's what they tell LEO to do.

The old DOJ training video that I viewed showed them first making a determination as to whether the firearm was an AW, and then calling dispatch to run the serial number. If I recall correctly, dispatch would get back to them quickly and let them know if it were made a RAW and name of the registrant(s).

[Discogodfather]

The old DOJ training video that I viewed showed them first making a determination as to whether the firearm was an AW, and then calling dispatch to run the serial number. If I recall correctly, dispatch would get back to them quickly and let them know if it were made a RAW and name of the registrant(s).

That's really fascinating, thank you. Going to watch this one thoroughly.

At least they had videos like this back in the day, including PSA's to announce reg periods to the public that played all over TV. Nowadays they can't even be bothered to tweet anything, let alone spend money to inform anyone as to what is happening. I doubt there are any new videos like this educating and training LEO's either.

Always wondered if there was a lawsuit in that negligence.

[shoutitoutshutitup]

The law does not require the DOJ to send an "approval letter." Nor are you required to prove to LEOs that your "BBAW" is registered. (They have to prove that it is not.)

I did and she said, "Oh, we have to send an approval letter? We don't have a system for that yet..."

One needs to pay $5 and they must send a disposition letter. It's recited in the regs. 5475(c).

[shoutitoutshutitup]

That's really fascinating, thank you. Going to watch this one thoroughly.

At least they had videos like this back in the day, including PSA's to announce reg periods to the public that played all over TV. Nowadays they can't even be bothered to tweet anything, let alone spend money to inform anyone as to what is happening. I doubt there are any new videos like this educating and training LEO's either.

Always wondered if there was a lawsuit in that negligence.

You're welcome. They have ~10 months now to train LE and make videos like this one. I hope they are in HD! But it doesn't necessarily mean that we will be able to see them.

[shoutitoutshutitup]

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I travel with my paperwork, one in the rifle and the other on me.

Have you ever been confronted by LE in person about your RAW in the past 17 years?

If so, have you ever shown them the paperwork either at their request, or you had volunteered it?

[mshill]

The old DOJ training video that I viewed showed them first making a determination as to whether the firearm was an AW, and then calling dispatch to run the serial number. If I recall correctly, dispatch would get back to them quickly and let them know if it were made a RAW and name of the registrant(s).

Watched the whole thing. It was a total cluster f--k back then and will be even worse after this one. They will have to cover Category 1,2,3, BBAW, and then have to describe featureless and a whole bunch of flavors of "fixed" magazine firearms. They will also be expected to be able to determine the difference between a brake and a flash hider.

When they run the serial numbers to verify it is a RAW, they will also need to have the date that it was registered to determine if it is an "illegal" magazine release that would have had to be registered before 1/1/2000.

I see two one of two things happening:
1) LEOs will just take the firearms and you get them back in a year OR
2) LEOs get tired of this **** and just stop trying to enforce this on otherwise law abiding citizens.

[shoutitoutshutitup]

Watched the whole thing. It was a total cluster f--k back then and will be even worse after this one. They will have to cover Category 1,2,3, BBAW, and then have to describe featureless and a whole bunch of flavors of "fixed" magazine firearms. They will also be expected to be able to determine the difference between a brake and a flash hider.

When they run the serial numbers to verify it is a RAW, they will also need to have the date that it was registered to determine if it is an "illegal" magazine release that would have had to be registered before 1/1/2000 (FIFY) BY 1/1/2001.

I see two one of two things happening:
1) LEOs will just take the firearms and you get them back in a year OR
2) LEOs get tired of this **** and just stop trying to enforce this on otherwise law abiding citizens.

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When they run the serial they will know the date it was registered. I can't imagine them not knowing that date.

I think 2), above. They're got better things to do with their time than hassle law-abiding citizens and too easy to foul up and possibly get sued. BTW, I've never been stopped with a subsequent loaded weapon check in over 30 years of shooting firearms. It will probably happen tomorrow because I made the statement.

A shrewd cop will avoid the flash hider vs. muzzle brake distinction re featureless. It will be too much of a crap shoot what it is. And, remember, featureless are not registered so they will not know the device. They need Probable Cause to arrest. I don't think a belief that it might be a flash suppressor will be enough for an arrest.

Solution: keep upper separate from lower while transporting featureless.

[Irishfisher]

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[shoutitoutshutitup]

Irishfisher- Please delete your post above with its outdated law which no longer exists in the Penal Code.

Go to the new regulation 5474.1.