MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[jcwatchdog]

Let the BBelievers be the test case since they are so sure. Pull that BB and show the DOJ.

I will register it, and then I will most certainly remove it once processed. And then I want them to arrest me for possession of an unregistered registered AW. Or that I manufactured an unregistered registered AW.

[God Bless America]

Please keep us informed. I hope you win.

[IVC]

That's not a law. Nor a citation. They would have to make the claim that a registered AW isn't in fact registered?

LOL. Good luck DOJ

Uh, how's it going to be a different rifle with the same make, model, & SN as the one that you registered?

It seems the regulation is going in that direction. Whether they can or can't, they are doing it.

It will take a lawsuit to untangle. I'll try to make sure I'm not the test case. There should be enough unaware people who will trip the wire. It's cold and heartless, but it's not me screwing them over.

[Fox Mulder]

DOJ is effectively trying to create a "Category 4 Assault Weapon" with no legal basis to do so.

*snif* *snif*


Anybody else smell an underground regulation?

[kelvin232]

I will register it, and then I will most certainly remove it once processed. And then I want them to arrest me for possession of an unregistered registered AW. Or that I manufactured an unregistered registered AW.

There's no current law that says you're wrong. All the passed law specified is that the BB is the same as a standard mag release. So your rifle is already an AW now, just register it.

To the new law, there is no difference between a BB and a standard mag release

[Fox Mulder]

It has features beyond a normal bullet button. Hence they will rule it is not a "like" device. But if you want to be the test case, go right ahead.

They don't have the ability to "rule" such a thing. If history is any indication it would be up to "one of the 58 DA's" to decide to prosecute someone for posession of an unregistered AW while the AW is in fact a RAW.

[zerodameaon]

It seems the regulation is going in that direction. Whether they can or can't, they are doing it.

It will take a lawsuit to untangle.

The issue there is by the time the lawsuit gets anywhere registration will have been long closed screwing us either way unless a judge orders them to reopen it.

[IVC]

I will register it, and then I will most certainly remove it once processed. And then I want them to arrest me for possession of an unregistered registered AW. Or that I manufactured an unregistered registered AW.

A friendly advice - don't push it until there is a unified front in the battle against this regulation. It's not worth yelling "Geronimo" and charging, when a little bit of tactics and time can change quite a few things.

Remember, the original AW ban was supposed to kill ALL evil rifles and it was the DOJ who said "BBs will be gone in two weeks." They are telling us now that our rifles will be gone in "two weeks," but whether they can make it happen is yet to be seen.

[ifilef]

Support your argument? You mean the same argument you had that everyone needed to register any rifle from 2001 to 2016 that ever had a bullet button it, regardless of if it is featureless or not? When actual lawyers say, "there is no PC to back some of these regs up", will you believe it then? I guess not, because Michel and Associates said that featureless configurations were OK, but you continued to resist any idea otherwise.

Yeah, I still fully support my interpretation of the statutes, disagree with Michel, and feel DOJ went outside and beyond the registration laws. Moreover, it was an administrative decision, apparently, on their part, to not enforce the statutes as written.

Just because you believe that I was wrong on one matter does not mean that I don't have something right now. Put it to rest, it all worked out for the better for us, even though I see no support for conversions to featureless in 2017 as lawful under the registration statutes. Configuration in 2017 is not relevant for the registration statutes. One need only read 30680 and 30900(b)(1) to see it clearly.

So, please do be our test case. We need people like you who can act as sacrificial lambs. And who knows, maybe you will win! But at a cost too high for this and many other posters.

[The Gleam]

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The approval of your application is up to the CADOJ

This was stated for previous registration schemes. Very few submissions, if any, were ever denied.

Registration IS the goal; not the ornamentation determination. If they put too much of that out there, the registration motivation will be insurmountable, and people will simply go featureless, or the numbers refusing to register or not registering out of confusion will make enforcement of registration impossible. Mostly nobody will be registered, or a small few, maybe all of the few thousand of some 25,000 that are ever active here on Calguns at any one time, will register.

OLL/OLR were available widely early-to-mid 2005 and BB guns have been available widely since late 2006 or so. Quite simply, it's likely that more than a MILLION have sold since that time. The numbers of un-registered would outweigh any logic to enforcing the law other than tacking enforcement on to criminals arrested while doing other things illegal that happen to be in possession of an AW (too) while most would have not been allowed to be in possession of ANY firearm.

Once the tyrannical powers-that-be that want registration regardless of whether the gun is defined as an AW or not, hoping they could even require registration for a 1910 Winchester Model 1894 chime in, a lot of these hoops, stunts, feats, hurdles, and one-handed hand-stand requirements being pitched here will be squashed.

If you want registration, you simply don't make it hard to do. They don't care about "features" - they know the evil-features label is a ruse. They know from being told time and again that a bullet coming out of a Mini-14 Ranch model is the same ballistics and adequate power and accuracy as the scariest AR15.

The legislators screaming for registration will look this over as have a fit that the DOJ is putting a crimp on their registration plans, by making it too difficult to register, or putting up too many road-blocks for the average gun owner to achieve what was supposed to be a simple process.

If you make registration a difficult process, nobody will do it.

And I could only hope so.

[IVC]

The issue there is by the time the lawsuit gets anywhere registration will have been long closed screwing us either way unless a judge orders them to reopen it.

Yup, that's why you have to pick your poison and register some. The silver lining is that you can deregister later.

[Nor*Cal]

Subjects whom bought umpty umpteen lowers on Dec 15th, 2016 will and should be subject to a higher level of scrutiny

A receipt is a document

If the subject bought all the components and built the lowers and properly photographed them fully assembled by today. It should not be a problem

The CADOJ is not going to allow unlimited AR registration without proper photos and or documentation

You are still making stuff up. I understand that these poorly written laws leave many things up to interpretation but your earlier post was in response to "receipts being required" for registration.

Now you are trying to make up a scenario that might trigger the DOJ to request documentation.

Again, nothing about receipts being required.

There is no law stating that you must save your gun parts receipts.

Seriously, us calgunners seem to always make things more complicated than they need to be.

[kelvin232]

Who's running for office that's responsible for 'putting millions of new assault weapons on the streets'?

I feel like this should be a difficult election cycle if someone runs against them with the right keywords....

[IVC]

Anybody else smell an underground regulation?

Absolutely. The question is whether we can kill it in unfriendly courts.

[AGGRO]

I've tried for two years to de-register an AW and Harris deliberately dragged it out so I couldn't. Don't think for a minute they will ever delist a RAW and if they do it will take forever. Plan accordingly.