MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[Scott5182]

Sooo ...If you have a registered AW with a bullet button and use a mag magnet to function the mag release, it is still an AW just with a little more more "assault" factor, right? However legal the way I see it is written?

Any legal scholars want to chime in?

[Cokebottle]

CA requires 30" for centerfire semi, and has separate SBR requirement of 26", both apparently measured according to these new rules.

30" min OAL is AW status.
Nothing in the statute appears to address OAL beyond the section defining AWs.
As with SB23 features, nothing that defines an AW was changed, thus, if AW status is met through SB23 features, then registration is required and it doesn't matter as long as the OAL is 26" or greater.

It DOES mean that it would not be legal to use some other method of 2017-compliant magazine attachment on such a build without the muzzle device being permanently affixed.

[vairox]

DOJ has determined that the CCR carries the same weight as the penal code, my guess is all the liberal douche bag child molester protecting judges in this state will go along with that. Looks like it's the other BB time, I planned to register being a LEO and not wanting to risk my career and pension but now there's talk of pictures and a bunch of other BS? suck a bag of dicks.

[etwinam]

You have to go through a background check to purchase the weapon so I don't see what the point of an additional BG check. But it is the DOJ... So I guess anything is possible.

I'm hoping I don't need to dig up my original dros paperwork. I am not sure I can find it.

Pretty bum deal having to keep BB on. I'm pretty sure the state of CA would have pinned the DOJ to the wall if they allowed everyone to take off their BB. I'm still hoping it can get overturned but imagine the libtards when they allow a bunch of people running around with regular magazine releases, I have a feeling that will only expedite confiscation that much faster.

A mini14 and an M1a are starting to sound really good right now.

[Scott5182]

So we have varying levels of assault weapons now? Leave it to CA legislators...The same *** hats that recently decided date rape is not a violent crime right?

[BucDan]

Yeah wasn't thinking. Edited.

[Cokebottle]

It's written:


But what does that even mean? Isn't a rifle considered an AW in California when it is less than 30" but have a minimum length of 26"? Are they trying to change the OAL definition of an AW to a minimum of 30"?

They didn't really change the length definition, they added the requirement that the muzzle attachment be permanent.

With the requirement to submit photos, it may be legally risky to remove the California muzzle device from a Tavor to photograph for registration since such a configuration would not be legal today.

[Cody805]

Also, all the home-builds, no matter that they might have a BATF-acceptable engraved identification, must get an ID from CA-DOJ.

Wait what??? We have to register 80's that are featureless? And get a number top prom the don and have that engraved???

[vairox]

So we have varying levels of assault weapons now? Leave it to CA legislators...The same *** hats that recently decided date rape is not a violent crime right?

yep those are the ones... oh and possession of a bomb or weapons of mass destruction is also non-violent, as is arson resulting in great bodily injury and corporal injury to a child... but don't get caught with a bullet button rifle not re-registered come 2018 though, seems totally legit.

[tonyxcom]

to be fair i mentioned the mag magnet option quite awhile ago.

They address the mag magnet specifically in (m), clearly stating leaving it in constitutes a detachable mag.

https://cdn.firearmspolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/bullet-button-proposed-regulations.pdf

[AKSOG]

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[truthseeker]

Just leave the bullet button on, back out the screw, and glue on an extension to enable regular mag drops!

Voila, all fixed now!

[fuddle]

They cannot create a new class of assault weapon. It's either registered as a Category 3 assault weapon or it isn't. Once registered, there are no laws governing. IMHO this is a last minute grenade from the fading power at the top; as expected.

For example, the 50 cal ban is it's own category so they can mandate no SB 23 features, which they did.

For them to limit configurations, they have to create a NEW class of AW. They haven't done that.

Now, all that said, it won't stop them from trying to do as much as they can to keep us from owning and using guns and ammo... as usual.

This stuff is
1) only purposed at the moment
2) full of loop holes.

As Arnold said, "Das got loop-oles so big I gould dribe my 'ummer drew it!"

...upload pics? Can you imagine what people will upload?

[voit]

WOW, it just get's better and better:

Once a CFARS account has been created registrants must provide the following information:
{a) The registrant's full name, address, telephone number, date of birth, sex, height, weight, eye color, hair color, military identification number (if applicable), California Driver License number or California Identification Card number U.S. citizenship status, place of birth, country of citizenship and alien registration number or I-94 if applicable.

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b) A description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely, including but not limited to:

firearm type, make, model, caliber, firearm color, barrel length, serial number, all identification marks, firearm country of origin/manufacturer the date the firearm was acquired, the name and address of the individual from whom or business from which the firearm was acquired.
(c) Clear digital photos of firearms listed on the application. One photo shall depict the bullet-button style magazine release installed on the firearm. One photo shall depict the firearm from the end of the barrel to the end of the stock if it is a long-gun or the point furthest from the end of the barrel if it is a pistol. The other two photos shall show the left side of the receiver/frame and right side of the receiver/frame. These locations are typically where firearms are marked when manufacturing is complete. At the discretion of the Department the last two photos shall be substituted for photos of identification markings at some other locations on the firearm.

SO HOW MANY OF YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE SIX PICTURES OF YOUR SO CALLED AW WITH A COPY OF PROOF OF RESIDENCY, ALONG WITH A INFINITE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT YOURSELF AND THE FIREARM?? OUTRAGEOUS! THE ONLY GOOD THING IS: DOJ WILL NOT ACCEPT FEATURELESS OR LESS THAN FULLY ASSEMBLED OR FUNCTIONAL FIREARMS FOR REGISTRATION. LETS SEE HOW MANY CALGUNS SHEEP STILL WANT TO REGISTER!

[ScottyXbones]

Love this too

"The Department will not register a firearm as an assault weapon if the firearm is featureless."

If a firearm is featureless, then I can use a regular mag release, correct?

Until featureless is banned next year