MERGED THREADS "Bullet Button Assault Weapon" Regs

[SkyHawk]

FPC now saying it looks like we'll be stuck with bullet buttons

Update 6 – 12/30/16 – Apparently, once a firearm is a “Bullet-Button Assault Weapon,” you’re stuck with it unless you reconfigure the firearm and de-register it as an AW: “The release mechanism for an ammunition feeding device on an assault weapon registered pursuant to Penal Code section 30900, subdivision (b)(1) shall not be changed after the assault weapon is registered.”

Our policy and legal teams are actively reviewing an OAL-stamped copy of what appear to be DOJ's proposed "assault weapon" and serialization/registration regulations. These regulations become effective on January 1, 2017, according to the document.

http://firearmspolicy.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=7b69d67922f8e32ca499bb6b7&id=071429d46b&e=a18676b4e7

[pacrimguru]

What isn't clear yet is if your new BB Raw needs to be >26" or >30"

Yep, that's what I want to find out.

[tonyxcom]

Funny how most everyone on this site thought that you'd be able to change to a standard mag release after registering. It was pretty clear that wasn't the case from the beginning.....

No it wasn't, thats precisely why it's mentioned in these proposed regs now.

[truthseeker]

Love how they want pictures for registration AND de-registration!

[IVC]

It's time for an injunction against this infringing unconstitutional crap.

Be careful what you wish for.

At this time it almost looks like that's what they want. It would give them time to rewrite the legislation and fix all the problems.

What we need is to remove only the "underground regulation" part so it's consistent with the law. However, the registration window won't wait for the lawsuit, so we might have to register and wait.

[csshih]

Funny how most everyone on this site thought that you'd be able to change to a standard mag release after registering. It was pretty clear that wasn't the case from the beginning.....

Their intent is obvious (to remove firearms from the general population), but people didn't expect them to slip more things in.

[johnonymous]

Requiring photos and refusing registration of "featureless" rifles does indeed seem to be able to force at least the DOJ examiner to make a determination of whether something is, eg, a pistol grip.

[AKSOG]

They obviously wrote the law around the AR platform, but didn't even get their intentions with that air tight. I'm not going to say anything else and sit tight until things are finalized.

Anybody with bright ideas should do the same and erase any already mentioned

[truthseeker]

Love this too

"The Department will not register a firearm as an assault weapon if the firearm is featureless."

If a firearm is featureless, then I can use a regular mag release, correct?

[IVC]

Funny how most everyone on this site thought that you'd be able to change to a standard mag release after registering. It was pretty clear that wasn't the case from the beginning.....

No it wasn't, thats precisely why it's mentioned in these proposed regs now.

It's funny that you'd think we can't.

The guessing game ended when the exact text of the law was published and when it was passed and signed. It's almost as people see it as "too good to be true" instead of "look how badly the legislators screwed up relative to their desired goal."

[IVC]

They obviously wrote the law around the AR platform, but didn't even get their intentions with that air tight. I'm not going to say anything else and sit tight until things are finalized.

Anybody with bright ideas should do the same.

This was a good idea BEFORE the law passed. We know EXACTLY what the law says.

[gdt82]

Two questions immediately come up.

1. If registration for a firearm is approved, and the bullet button is then removed, you have violated the regulation 5477(a), but because nothing in the penal code has been violated, what are the ramifications? Nothing? Or would they say they can revoke your registration since penal code 30900 allows them to set regulations to deal with the registration?

2. Regulation 5477(b) says that the "prohibition in subdivision (a) does not extend to the repair or like-kind replacement of the mechanism." But the penal code has now been changed in such a way that bullet buttons and regular mag releases are indeed "like-kind". To say otherwise in these regulations is to alter the definitions in the penal code.

[ChuckDizzle]

The irony is the Radlok seems to be the safest, I won't change it, but it doesn't say it will still need a tool! :P

[moleculo]

“The release mechanism for an ammunition feeding device on an assault weapon registered pursuant to Penal Code section 30900, subdivision (b)(1) shall not be changed after the assault weapon is registered.”

Raddlock sounds like a pretty appealing plan for those that need to register bullet button style guns. Just sayin...

[ifilef]

"5472 (B) The department will not register a firearm as an assault weapon if the firearm is featureless"

"5471 (o)Featureless means a semi-automatic(rifle, pistol, shotgun) lacking the characteristics in california penal code section 30515"

Looks like Ifilef's interpretation was not correct.

#1- I don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

#2- This reg does not conform to 30900(b)(1) and 30680 statutory language.

#3- I don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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As an aside- when the topic of switching to a standard mag release came up in July, I was one of the first to state that I could not imagine DOJ permitting us to go from BB to mag release. And there were those who said. 'An AW is an AW, you can't make it 'assaultier'. Moreover, there were those who stated that we should not even have to register first and make the switch because the new law did not differentiate between BB and mag release.