Peņa v. Cid (Handgun Roster) **CERT DENIED 6-15-2020**

[IVC]

I am happy for the ridiculous microstamping requirement because it will make short work for the courts.

Same as AB 144 banning open carry. There is the initial pain and uncertainty, but when all is said and done, we'll look back on these overreaches kindly.

[hoffmang]

It is just the fee as long as the gun stays *exactly the same.*

Changing a single spring (e.g., changing vendors) or any other minor change or improvement are all grounds for retesting.

The only changes they can make are to grips or finishes basically.

-Gene

[Funtimes]

The only changes they can make are to grips or finishes basically.

-Gene

The newest style sig grips require changing of parts to put on, that's got to knock a few guns off!

[kemasa]

The only changes they can make are to grips or finishes basically.

Yes, but then they have to submit a letter and pay for a separate listing.

[cire raeb]

I want to get the new SIG 227 Carry with the rail without having to go through the SSE process.

[fizux]

I want to get the new SIG 227 Carry with the rail without having to go through the SSE process.

Then you'd better hope this case eliminates the roster requirement, or join an appropriate law enforcement agency, or move out of state, et cetera.

[Foxmaster05]

Then you'd better hope this case eliminates the roster requirement, or join an appropriate law enforcement agency, or move out of state, et cetera.

Or buy via PPT from someone who SSE'd it or is LEO.

[chainsaw]

Or buy via PPT from someone who SSE'd it or is LEO.

Or, if you have parents or children who live outside of California, they can give it to you as a gift. Or if someone who is not a resident of California already owns one of those, and then moves to California, they can give it to you as a gift.

Because there are so many ways around the roster (LEO, parent/child, new resident, and recently also SSE), the roster is actually toothless. If you want an off-roster handgun, you just have to be patient and wait for one to show up, and then perhaps pay a little more than it costs in other states. This works even for very rare guns (for example, recently a Korth revolver was for sale here in California).

The real problem with the lawsuit against the roster is this: the roster is already toothless; if you want an off-roster gun, there are many legal ways to get them (if you have a little patience and money). If Pena wins (big if!), the backlash will probably be worse than the current situation. If Pena loses, it proves once and for all that roster-like schemes are legal. As usual, Pena is one of those cases that is being fought for moral self-gratification, and as a fund-raising tool.

[speedrrracer]

Or, if you have parents or children who live outside of California, they can give it to you as a gift. Or if someone who is not a resident of California already owns one of those, and then moves to California, they can give it to you as a gift.

Because there are so many ways around the roster (LEO, parent/child, new resident, and recently also SSE), the roster is actually toothless. If you want an off-roster handgun, you just have to be patient and wait for one to show up, and then perhaps pay a little more than it costs in other states. This works even for very rare guns (for example, recently a Korth revolver was for sale here in California).

The real problem with the lawsuit against the roster is this: the roster is already toothless; if you want an off-roster gun, there are many legal ways to get them (if you have a little patience and money). If Pena wins (big if!), the backlash will probably be worse than the current situation. If Pena loses, it proves once and for all that roster-like schemes are legal. As usual, Pena is one of those cases that is being fought for moral self-gratification, and as a fund-raising tool.

Completely disagree. Find me, for example, a CZ Accu Shadow in CA. "Oh, you just have to be patient". Waiting months (or longer) isn't patience -- it's stupidity... and monstrous amounts of wasted time and effort (endlessly searching for something when there's only a .0000001% chance of finding it).

I can't speak to the motivation of those behind it, but Pena is a completely valid case. The Roster is unconstitutional, period, (not to mention bad for business, not to mention arbitrary, not to mention pointless, etc, etc).

Also, if we win in Pena, I don't think there will be any backlash whatsoever, let alone something worst than the Roster. What are you talking about here?

[fizux]

Completely disagree. Find me, for example, a CZ Accu Shadow in CA. "Oh, you just have to be patient". Waiting months (or longer) isn't patience -- it's stupidity... and monstrous amounts of wasted time and effort (endlessly searching for something when there's only a .0000001% chance of finding it).

I can't speak to the motivation of those behind it, but Pena is a completely valid case. The Roster is unconstitutional, period, (not to mention bad for business, not to mention arbitrary, not to mention pointless, etc, etc).

Also, if we win in Pena, I don't think there will be any backlash whatsoever, let alone something worst than the Roster. What are you talking about here?

It is a pretty big deal at a match when someone finally gets an Accu. There is practically a SHOT show quality booth set up at a safe area with crowds gathered 'round to fondle it. Of course, everyone brings their HSC for that purpose :-)

[mrdd]

Or, if you have parents or children who live outside of California, they can give it to you as a gift. Or if someone who is not a resident of California already owns one of those, and then moves to California, they can give it to you as a gift.

Because there are so many ways around the roster (LEO, parent/child, new resident, and recently also SSE), the roster is actually toothless. If you want an off-roster handgun, you just have to be patient and wait for one to show up, and then perhaps pay a little more than it costs in other states. This works even for very rare guns (for example, recently a Korth revolver was for sale here in California).

The real problem with the lawsuit against the roster is this: the roster is already toothless; if you want an off-roster gun, there are many legal ways to get them (if you have a little patience and money). If Pena wins (big if!), the backlash will probably be worse than the current situation. If Pena loses, it proves once and for all that roster-like schemes are legal. As usual, Pena is one of those cases that is being fought for moral self-gratification, and as a fund-raising tool.

Sorry, I do not agree with this. Without SSE, you are talking about what is basically "luck". There is no way the state should be able to justify this infringement of a right.

[riderr]

Because there are so many ways around the roster (LEO, parent/child, new resident, and recently also SSE), the roster is actually toothless. If you want an off-roster handgun, you just have to be patient and wait for one to show up, and then perhaps pay a little more than it costs in other states. This works even for very rare guns (for example, recently a Korth revolver was for sale here in California).

I would disagree with you. The rare curio guns are rare by the meaning of this word. However, a regular production gun, which is easily available in 49 states, should be also easily available in the 50th state as well. I don't have to pay extra for SSE, or look for PPT, or jump through other hoops in order to buy a completely legal product.

[jay_cue]

Sorry, I do not agree with this. Without SSE, you are talking about what is basically "luck". There is no way the state should be able to justify this infringement of a right.

I don't agree either. I don't have family out of state and I wouldn't ask any LEO friends to buy something off roster with the intention of selling it right back to me.

[RobertMW]

Sorry, I do not agree with this. Without SSE, you are talking about what is basically "luck". There is no way the state should be able to justify this infringement of a right.

Not to mention the fact that SSE is clearly in the sights of the gun-control legislators.

SSE is not a long term solution, it is exactly like the bullet-button to get around RAW laws, something that was an ingenious work around to allow us to not lose all use, but it still limits us and will be challenged by both sides, either to eliminate or strengthen the original law. It should not be accepted by us, even as we use it to get what we want. Just because you got yours, doesn't mean that you should stop fighting, because what happens next is that they push to say "all guns off roster must be given up," and then suddenly you don't have your pretty SSE'd pistol, the same as the rest of the people.

[chris]

How'd that work at stopping Obamacare? :-)

Obamacare does work, just not in the way it was sold to the masses.

sure does work at screwing people out of thousands of dollars more in insurance and millions lost their plans they were told (lied) to from 0bama that they could keep.


how is the this case progressing anything new lately?