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[AAShooter]

What is the hardest part of the Marksmanship class that is preventing people from DG'ing the class?

[million_ants]

I would guess it's because you can only lose 2 points on an 18 point test. I can knock over a bowling pin at 1000 yards off a bipod with a rear bag, but from standing into a 3" circle at 35 and 50 yards, and then kneeling into a 4" circle at 75 and 100 was a definite strain on my admittedly rookie abilities. Here's my target. A liner at 35 touching white, a liner at 50, dropped one at 75 and one at 100 that I just PUNCHED the trigger on...man I was pissed at that one, and then I don't know what happened to the left liner in the 5" circle from 150 or 200, I forget which. My other dumbo move with the late because I didn't reset the zoom for the test, and there it is. A big fat CA on my courses page. 2 MOA is pretty generous, 350 on a rest isn't hard to hit, but throw in some side wind (we had it easy) and maybe you get the jitters in tests, who knows?

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[DRM6000]

Looks like a fun test.

[hermosabeach]

Old FS

Two guys graduated the Marksmanship course with me this past weekend, shooting .223 out of AR's. I talked to one that was just using 55 grain, had a 1:8 barrel. Nice build. I just missed the G after I neglected to reset my scope zoom on the first shot, dummy.

Great class, I had fun. Not much shooting, averaged about 60 rounds a day I believe. zeroing took some time. If you reference the target posted earlier, you've got a 3" circle top left. That's for standing shots, sling support ok, from 35 and 50 yards. Top right is 4" for standing/kneeling/sitting/prone, sling support ok but no rests no bipods no mags on the ground, at 75/100 yards. Middle left 6" circle is for any support method at 150 and 200 yards. Middle right is for any support method at 250 and 300 yards. Upper center 7" circle any support method at 350 yards. Two shots each, 19 total. If the bullet holes touch white it's a minus 1. If you're late it's a minus 1. No malfunctions on the test. -2 is DG cutoff and -5 is G cutoff. Good times, I know what I need to practice. Had two in the white and liners on the black. I haven't put a tape on it but I think the grey is the inch measurement and the black is the buffer they offer. They offer up some examples of measurements between targets for holdover usage, as well as a handout with common bullet drop values at various ranges, and some fields for you to fill out as you work your way through the course of fire during day 2 and 3.

I don't think they can fit much more shooting into the class. They make use of the bleacher trailers hauling students back and forth in an effort to speed things up. I had fun, would recommend, and will return. Oh, and the trigger on my bolt gun was set a little light. No idea how light but I figured I'd adjust it if they kicked me back. They sent me over to a couple of specific instructors who turned out to be in the course. they felt the trigger, kneed the butt pad to see if it would trip, and sent me off. I did end up bringing the weight up as the first day was pretty windy and I wanted a little more resistance on the standing shots. days 2-4 were beeyootifull though. light wind come from behind us, 50-60 deez-greez... Logan Neal and Dennis McCarthy are two cool cats. I'm going to start a Dennis McCarthy fan club. Have had the pleasure of learning under him on the past three visits and hope for many more.

The original front sight had the skills test to 200

You also had presentations for right left and rear to targets + night shooting

It use to be a solid 4 day - 10 hours a day program

Show up 1 hour before class for dry practice
Lectures during all meals.


The old curriculum was very difficult to DG

[beanz2]

Thanks, million ants. Lots of good info!

Questions, please. So it sounds like there was plenty of time to zero? Do they allow you to zero from only certain yardages? How do they take into account guys who prefer to zero at 50 yards versus those at 100 yards versus those at 200 yards?

Front Sight usually goes into great detail about minute details. Did they go much into sling use, as far as mounting, methods of slinging, etc.? If your mounting is not ideal, do they give you time to reconfigure your rifle? If they do, was there any separate location to work on them?

At 75 and 100 yards, why did you shoot from the kneeling as opposed to from the prone? Was there a time limit?

As light as my bipod is, any extra weight sitting at the far end of the rifle can be heavy, especially when trying to steady your shot standing upright. If you were to do it over again, would you use a bipod or not?

[LCU1670]

Wife and I have private rifle classes this Tues, plan to shoot the new test after lunch, we will see how it goes based upon what I've read above.

[mej16489]

If the bullet holes touch white it's a minus 1.

That doesn't sound correct, FS doesn't score anything else that way. I suspect the actual instruction is that the hole must break into the gray. That's the way all the other targets get scored.

With a 5.56 round it looks its impossible to get into the gray while touching white. But it looks like a 7.62 would make it.

[million_ants]

[mej16489]

I count 5 shots that don't reach the gray. 2 upper left, 2 upper right 1 lower left. One of the Two in the upper left is possibly in the gray.

[nickabeans]

Recently got a membership, how are people getting certificates for classes and such if I wanted to bring my brother or wife? I see people selling them all the time places

[LCU1670]

Contact just about anyone on this thread. I have many to sell or trade.

[LCU1670]

Contact just about anyone on this thread. I have many to sell or trade.

[million_ants]

I count 5 shots that don't reach the gray. 2 upper left, 2 upper right 1 lower left. One of the Two in the upper left is possibly in the gray.

[million_ants]

Thanks, million ants. Lots of good info!

Questions, please. So it sounds like there was plenty of time to zero? Do they allow you to zero from only certain yardages? How do they take into account guys who prefer to zero at 50 yards versus those at 100 yards versus those at 200 yards?

Front Sight usually goes into great detail about minute details. Did they go much into sling use, as far as mounting, methods of slinging, etc.? If your mounting is not ideal, do they give you time to reconfigure your rifle? If they do, was there any separate location to work on them?

At 75 and 100 yards, why did you shoot from the kneeling as opposed to from the prone? Was there a time limit?

As light as my bipod is, any extra weight sitting at the far end of the rifle can be heavy, especially when trying to steady your shot standing upright. If you were to do it over again, would you use a bipod or not?

[walt33]

Are you limited to holdovers for different ranges during the test or can you use your scopes turrets?