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[Tripper]

so he lied on a form that im pretty sure requires being signed to be true and correct, and had another person lie on the character witness part?
they dont do b/g on minors, but when they turn 18, that might be bad for them.

[ke6guj]

just passing on what I was told. good thing there isn't anything about being subject to perjury charges on that form, I guess.

AFAIK, this was all for adults. no minors have taken classes that I know of.

[Tripper]

true i suppose.

[DSMeyer]

Grrrrrrr, missed DG for rifle by two points. Still a 17 isn't too bad with vintage WW II battle sights. Being ocular challenged ( I wear glasses just to see the world clearly) the 25y head shots were the toughest, all I saw was one giant gray blur with a crisp front sight, so I put the top of the post on where I guessed the COC should be, ended up with all three shots high (two in the forehead and one right outside in the white). Went up to the 15y and I could see the target clearly and poof, perfect shots. So ended up with a 6 for 100y&50y shots (2 in the right outside the thorazic), 11 for controlled pairs and designated head shots, 0 for failure to stop. For a 17 total with no lates and 0 on malfunction clearances. The GI paratrooper M1 carbine ran flawless without any hiccups, I was running some old copper jacketed Wolf (black box) ammo that is dirty, so I kept getting partially spent piwder in my face, but all in all was very fun to shoot.
There were 45 people in this class with 2 DG's

[XDJYo]

DSmeyer-Excellent! Great day at the range no matter how you look at it.


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[mikeinla]

Cost to sign up for class under two weeks?? I heard there is a charge if you sign up for a class less than two weeks away. My work schedule is crazy and it is difficult to know my schedule weeks in advance.

[mej16489]

what range you on mej

I was on Rifle 1.

It was definitely packed out there this weekend. On R1 we started with 48, finished with 39. 1 M1 Carbine, 1 SCAR-17, all the rest were AR15 variants.

I'd estimate we ended up with about 10ish completions, 20ish Graduates and 10ish DGs. At least half a dozen of the Gs were within a couple of shots to get DG. There were quite allot of great shooters in the class.

I ended up down 22/0/0 with no penalties. I should have taken off my rear site, I was having issues getting my magnifier in-place at the 100, that's what really did me in ... that was very likely 19 of my 22.

I also lost man-on-man for the first time. I went out on the first round by time.

I was surprised at the number of gun problems people were having - I think at least 10 had to be fixed in one way or another.

Overall, I'm REALLY happy with my performance. I didn't expect to do that well, I don't consider myself a rifleman by any stretch, but I guess solid fundamentals transfer platforms reasonable well...

I've got aches everywhere today...

[DSMeyer]

I was on Rifle 1.

It was definitely packed out there this weekend. On R1 we started with 48, finished with 39. 1 M1 Carbine, 1 SCAR-17, all the rest were AR15 variants.

I'd estimate we ended up with about 10ish completions, 20ish Graduates and 10ish DGs. At least half a dozen of the Gs were within a couple of shots to get DG. There were quite allot of great shooters in the class.

I ended up down 22/0/0 with no penalties. I should have taken off my rear site, I was having issues getting my magnifier in-place at the 100, that's what really did me in ... that was very likely 19 of my 22.

I also lost man-on-man for the first time. I went out on the first round by time.

I was surprised at the number of gun problems people were having - I think at least 10 had to be fixed in one way or another.

Overall, I'm REALLY happy with my performance. I didn't expect to do that well, I don't consider myself a rifleman by any stretch, but I guess solid fundamentals transfer platforms reasonable well...

I've got aches everywhere today...

Sounds like you got the majority or shooters, on R2 there were a lot of first timers and rental guns with issues.
Our RM Kevin Pfeifer was adamant about the use of variable power optics and red dots with movable magnifiers, if you start out at the 7 with just the red dot or on lowest power setting, you finish at the 100 with the same setup. That he would hit you up as a proceedural if you were caught changing them.
Our range consisted of AR's 2 m1 carbines, 2 tavors (sp?), and a mini 14

[mej16489]

Sounds like you got the majority or shooters, on R2 there were a lot of first timers and rental guns with issues.
Our RM Kevin Pfeifer was adamant about the use of variable power optics and red dots with movable magnifiers, if you start out at the 7 with just the red dot or on lowest power setting, you finish at the 100 with the same setup. That he would hit you up as a proceedural if you were caught changing them.
Our range consisted of AR's 2 m1 carbines, 2 tavors (sp?), and a mini 14

The procedural penalty is only if you change them 'off the clock' or between shots. You can change whatever you want at the beep. There are lots of examples; deploy bipod, magnification, compensation dials, etc.

[ke6guj]

Sounds like you got the majority or shooters, on R2 there were a lot of first timers and rental guns with issues.
Our RM Kevin Pfeifer was adamant about the use of variable power optics and red dots with movable magnifiers, if you start out at the 7 with just the red dot or on lowest power setting, you finish at the 100 with the same setup. That he would hit you up as a proceedural if you were caught changing them.
Our range consisted of AR's 2 m1 carbines, 2 tavors (sp?), and a mini 14

yup.

because of that rule, my friend ran 4 days with his bipod legs extended so that he would not have to deploy them for the 100yd prone shots. as soon as the rilfe came out of the car, the legs were extended and didn't get touched until time to put it back in the car.

the entire test was taken with the legs deployed.

[mej16489]

yup.

because of that rule, my friend ran 4 days with his bipod legs extended so that he would not have to deploy them for the 100yd prone shots. as soon as the rilfe came out of the car, the legs were extended and didn't get touched until time to put it back in the car.

the entire test was taken with the legs deployed.

Odd, that disagrees with all of the information I've ever heard on the topic. It most definitely disagrees with the information we received on R1 from our 2 Senior Range Masters and our 2 instructors. They even explicitly used the bipod and magnifiers as examples during the skills test briefing.

[DSMeyer]

He was very against gaming, even the guys that got nearly into a football stance to get into prone, he said he would just hold off to start until they tired out or fell on their face. Just do it right, do it smooth and follow the fundamentals, the rest will come.

[waveslayer]

Thinking about taking the 4 Day Rifle course in the fall. Would use my Windham Weaponry M4. Only have iron sights on it now and don't really want to buy optics for it. From the bench, I can keep all of the shots w/in the X ring at at 25 yards, in the black (8 ring) at 50 yards and w/in the 7 ring at 100 yards.

Is this good enough to DG in the course or do you need to use red dot/magnifier optics in order to achieve that?

Shooting from a bench with a nice rest is a lot different then off hand with the added timer that will increase the stress level... can it be done ? Of course and has been done. I say go for it but know that a red dot has a different advantage than good old iron sights. As far as gaming the system as well... there is only winning or loosing in a gun fight.

Try the iron sights out and see how you do it you don't mind going back to do a skills builder to DG it.

[DSMeyer]

Thinking about taking the 4 Day Rifle course in the fall. Would use my Windham Weaponry M4. Only have iron sights on it now and don't really want to buy optics for it. From the bench, I can keep all of the shots w/in the X ring at at 25 yards, in the black (8 ring) at 50 yards and w/in the 7 ring at 100 yards.

Is this good enough to DG in the course or do you need to use red dot/magnifier optics in order to achieve that?

If your eyes are in good shape and not optically challenged like me, DG'ing is totally possible. The 25y head shot killed me, I just couldn't define the 3"x5" head box well enough to put the post in the correct spot. Once I got to the 15y line it was on like donkey kong.

[ke6guj]

Odd, that disagrees with all of the information I've ever heard on the topic. It most definitely disagrees with the information we received on R1 from our 2 Senior Range Masters and our 2 instructors. They even explicitly used the bipod and magnifiers as examples during the skills test briefing.

I've always been told that the configuration of the rifle at the beginning of the first buzzer at the 100 yd line is how your rifle needs to be configured for the start of each portion of the test.

most people would set up the rifle they wanted it for 50yds and closer and then just flip over the magnifier and deploy bipod legs for the 100 yd shot since you have more time to fiddle with the rifle for just those 5 shots then to have to fiddle with it for the other 20 shots.

I used a grip pod so that I could have it stowed and at the buzzer I would hit the button to deploy the legs as I was going prone. I had a 1-6x optic that I left at about 2.5x for the entire test.