What would be a good "trunk gun"

[yellowsulphur]

A Kel-tec SU16B is another option of a cheap gun that is PRK legal for this role.

When folded the KT SU16CA easily fits inside and locks to the spare tire. Preban magazines can be used without any modifications as well.

[trinydex]

Three considerations: usability, standing out and cost.

Cost means you want something that's not too expensive, since it could get stolen with your car, beat around in the trunk, etc.

Standing out is the AR/AK vs. everything else. What's your comfort level in the situation?

Lastly is usability - ideally we'd all like an SBR FA AR or AK with a suppressor, but that's not gonna happen.

Here are my "top 5":
1.) Saiga - $300, drops mags, good round for 0-300yds and still looks like a hunting rifle
2.) SKS - cheaper than a Saiga, more friendly, but heavier and, while stripper clips are fast, mags are faster (the advantage is you can carry a ton more ammo on strippers than in mags)
3.) Mossberg, Winchester or Remington pump SG - cheap as dirt (<$200), extremely flexible (0-20yd deadly, with 100yds not a problem with slugs). dead nuts reliable, zero issues with hassle.
4.) M1 Carbine - light, good round to 150yds, big mags, lots of firepower - but their price has come up a good deal ($500+)
5.) Mini 14/30 - no issues with hassle, but not cheap ($600+) and not as ergonomic as the others, so it's at the bottom.

i was wondering why no one mentioned saiga

isn't loading a bit of a pain with a pumper. i was thinking break action because they have long barrels but short oal and quick to load, or at least with a trunk carry it's the same load time as any other time. empty trunk gun is a bit of a pain... so is california.

[bandogg]

Hmmm where is it you work? Post office maybe.

Maybe something thats not going to rip through walls. Something in .45 would be good.

[valleyguy]

Can't believe no one mentioned the Mosin Nagant, like the M44 carbine -- True, it's bolt action, but at less than $100 you never worry about it getting beat up (good old Russian tough engineering as well) and at 7.62x54, big whallup. Seems like it should at least be on par with the shottie for time to cycle rounds. But maybe this thread is about a SHTF gun instead?

[dilligaffrn]

My trunk gun...

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Shotguns/pardnerPump.asp

[DRM6000]

If you are going to carry a shotgun, get some low recoil slugs and practice and learn your point of aim/point of impact. If there was some sort of hostage situation, throwing a bunch of pellets isn't the best idea when precision is needed.

at that point, i'd let the cops do their job. too much risk and liability involved.
if the bg has a hostage, he's probably not shot anyone or has stopped shooting.

[bohoki]

i suggest an ar-7

[JeffM]

at that point, i'd let the cops do their job. too much risk and liability involved.
if the bg has a hostage, he's probably not shot anyone or has stopped shooting.

+1....sort of.


If, on the other hand, a situation is bad enough to dictate ignoring potential liability, it's not going to matter if you use an AK or a more PC looking gun.

[fusionstar]

Doesnt the law state that you CAN have a firearm at a place of business? As long as your boss approves, you can keep a shotgun under the desk?

I may be wrong.

My friend's father operates a gas station that has all bullet proofing, store lockdown, backup power for the security cameras, mind you the store is all of 20'x20', but he still carries a raging bull in 44mag and theres always another person working with him. I wouldn't be surprised if he had more guns tucked under with the scratchers.

A gun in your hand is better than 911 on the other end of the phone.

[fusionstar]

Can't believe no one mentioned the Mosin Nagant, like the M44 carbine -- True, it's bolt action, but at less than $100 you never worry about it getting beat up (good old Russian tough engineering as well) and at 7.62x54, big whallup. Seems like it should at least be on par with the shottie for time to cycle rounds. But maybe this thread is about a SHTF gun instead?

I've had surplus 7.62x54r rounds go through a v8 engine. The soft points are no better, I would suspect it can go through 4-5 people, w/ surplus rounds. A shotgun would be my choice, as pistols require locks and seen as a offensive weapon, Where as the shotgun is seen as a defensive weapon. Generally speaking.

[Beelzy]

Doesnt the law state that you CAN have a firearm at a place of business? As long as your boss approves, you can keep a shotgun under the desk?

I know that a business owner can have a firearm at his place of biz. However,
I would think that a boss would frown on an employee packing simply due to
liability issues.

Funny how some folks fear being sued more than being killed.

[CSACANNONEER]

I know that a business owner can have a firearm at his place of biz. However,
I would think that a boss would frown on an employee packing simply due to
liability issues.

Funny how some folks fear being sued more than being killed.

Funny, I have safes at both my jobs. So, obviously there are some more intelligent employeers out there.

[grammaton76]

Saiga 308 16". Semi-auto, only drawback is the 7rd mag (yeah, theoretically 8, but it doesn't function reliably with all 8 loaded).

[sammy]

Thanks everyone. I think a Saiga fits the bill. A shotgun in most cases would be great, but loading it takes more time than I would like. I like the idea of inserting the magazine, chambering the rifle and having a very reliable autloader that does not look like an AK-47. This is strictly for DEFENSE. It is like having an earthquake kit, better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it. Thanks, Sammy

[tow4dough]

i own my business and i would have no problem with my employees exercisingtheir 2A rights. but im funny like that.