Robbed on BLM?

[emtmark]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahah best blm strategy EVVVAHHHH!

[Bansh88]

2 pages about being robbed in the wilderness?

How many pages for a home invasion/robbery thread. You know, something that actually happens?
Wait, I've seen that thread. Where people talk smack about having guns out in the open at home.

[robledo]

Not a bad idea to keep the sidesaddle on your shotgun loaded and "off limits" for casual reloading when out in the middle of nowhere just in case. Same thing applies to a redi-mag on your AR if you have it just so you have rounds on hand if need be.

[sl0re10]

The trick us to rob them first, as they walk up.

"Hey how's it going? You leaving?

Great and yes with all your stuff.

Seriously though; , maybe not shoot to your mags are empty.

them: I notice your only shooting 6 shots at a time.
Me: yep
them: [blank stare]
Me: [blank stare]
them: [drive off]

[whipkiller]

Platt and Maddox, the Miami shoot out bad guys, regularly equipped themselves by ribbing people shooting in remote areas of the glades.

So like, they teased them? Wow, they really are bad guys.

In the BLM land where I usually shoot (sometimes by myself, always with a sidearm) I've had the Ranger roll up to say hi a couple of times, and proceed to tell me everything I'd been doing for the last half hour.

It was clear he'd been on high ground observing me and the other shooting parties in the area for some time before making contact.

It was kind of odd at first, but also somewhat comforting.

[golfish]

My buddy and his brother went riding out by 29 palms back in the 90's , there was a guy all dressed in riding gear laying in the back of his truck, feet hanging off the tail gate, bike parked next to the truck. They took off for a ride, came back, took off for another ride, came back and the guys still laying in the back of his truck. Its getting dark so they walk over to see if the guys okay. The bed of the truck bloody, the guy took one to the head. I guess there were some guys doing some bad things around the area and the killing was traced back to them.

[Aldemar]

Happens all the time. People get robbed, then raped, then killed and buried on BLM land and no one ever finds out. It's sort of like "From Dusk Till Dawn" meets "The Hills Have Eyes" out there.

As such, this is how my buddies and I approach the problem:

3 days prior to our shooting event a 5 man group of us inserts 20 miles from our shooting area. Two shooters, two spotters, and a doc. Two precision rifles between us (F class rifles painted and taped for our weekend shoot, currently both are 6.5 Creedmore but I'm currently looking into a 6mm cartridge. We're not professional soldiers so we make do with what we've got). We travel on foot to within 2 miles of the objective and set up on a ridge overlooking the area. We observe the area for at least a day, noting ingress and egress points and noting routine movement.

On the shoot day we travel to within 1000 yards of where my friends will be shooting and establish our FFP. We can move pretty quick, we pack light and don't always wear armor. Everyone else in our team is fully armored.

Meantime, our friends travel in at least two different vehicles, both large enough to fit our entire group incase there's a need for an immediate evac. Their arrival times are staggered so in case of an ambush there is a backup available. As the first vehicle arrives our recon time provides overwatch and maintains radio silence unless there's an issue. The first team starts to unpack, leaving at least two people concealed carrying and two people open carrying. They start to unpack tables and stuff.

Meanwhile the second vehicle comes up (having been in radio contact with the first vehicle) and drives to the area where they will be setting up targets. This vehicle will have many semi-auto rifles since they are also the backup. Both vehicles use AR500 gongs behind the doors at supplementary armor and as something to shoot at later.

A fun day of shooting ensues.

At the end of the day the two vehicle teams alternately provide security for each other as they pack up, the first team drives out on an alternative egress route (so as to avoid any ambushes laid out during the day) and is followed 30 seconds later by the backup vehicle. Mean while the overwatch team moves to the nearest freeway exit ramp for a planned extraction.

We feel that is the only adequately safe way to shoot on BLM land.

Don't even get me started on how we approach National Forest land...

Gecko 45, is that you?

[Junkie]

While I don't do anything crazy, if nobody is staying at the car when we're changing targets etc I'll bring a rifle and loaded magazine (generally in the rifle) downrange with me. I figure it's unlikely that it'll ever matter, but better safe than sorry.

I'm also curious as to legalities of loaded firearms in a vehicle while in areas you're allowed to shoot.

[Press Check]

We enter the gate, stop the vehicle, load, chamber, and holster pistols, then load, chamber, and deploy carbines, and proceed onward slowly.

We maintain constant situational awareness, scan the landscape and hills for reflective signatures from bino's and optics, scan for abandoned and stationary vehicles, scan for individuals on foot, and listen for live fire while looking for a spot. Once a suitable spot is secured, the truck is positioned as a barrier. We unload our gear, set up a paper target stand, and a 6" steel swinger. Nothing extravagant, and only one of our group will go downrange to replace targets.

We MOOFB, and are not interested in what anyone else is shooting, and expect that no one is interested in what we are shooting, nor do we expect to be approached, especially with firearms. We do not have tools, ammunition or targets to lend, food or water to part with, no directions to give, nor first aid to render. If approached, pistols and carbines are reloaded, and one of our group will remain in the open to directly address the question, comment or concern while the rest inconspicuously take defensive positions near the truck.

Prior to exiting BLM, vehicle is stopped, pistols and carbines are stowed, and proceed onward quickly.

[erik_26]

We enter the gate, stop the vehicle, load, chamber, and holster pistols, then load, chamber, and deploy carbines, and proceed onward slowly.

We maintain constant situational awareness, scan the landscape and hills for reflective signatures from bino's and optics, scan for abandoned and stationary vehicles, scan for individuals on foot, and listen for live fire while looking for a spot. Once a suitable spot is secured, the truck is positioned as a barrier. We unload our gear, set up a paper target stand, and a 6" steel swinger. Nothing extravagant, and only one of our group will go downrange to replace targets.

We MOOFB, and are not interested in what anyone else is shooting, and expect that no one is interested in what we are shooting, nor do we expect to be approached, especially with firearms. We do not have tools, ammunition or targets to lend, food or water to part with, no directions to give, nor first aid to render. If approached, pistols and carbines are reloaded, and one of our group will remain in the open to directly address the question, comment or concern while the rest inconspicuously take defensive positions near the truck.

Prior to exiting BLM, vehicle is stopped, pistols and carbines are stowed, and proceed onward quickly.

Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you leave you bunker, I mean house? Just stay inside.

[Jimi Jah]

We're not professional soldiers so we make do with what we've got). ...

Someone missed their chance to go to Iraq?

[Ca Cop]

I guess I won't have any problems encountering dirtbags out there because I plan on going there with other cops and we carry our AR's and pistols fully loaded with extra mags the entire time. That along with body armor and tactical training. 😜

Stay away from us and we'll stay away from you.

[seal20]

Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you leave you bunker, I mean house? Just stay inside.

This is basically what we do too...It sounds a lot more technical and paranoid than it really is.

It's actually just utilizing common sense when in any rural area, doesn't matter if you're target shooting, hunting our just camping...

[Press Check]

Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you leave you bunker, I mean house? Just stay inside.

If I said that we spent a night in the hills surveying the land, I might expect that sort of commentary.

In layman's terms, we drive past the gate, stop, load our weapons, keep our eyes open, and maintain a moderate degree of vigilance while there. To avoid being perceived as a threat, we do not approach anyone, and expect that others maintain that same degree of respect, which seems to be the unspoken, universal etiquette among shooters on BLM.

If you think that is over the top, you either do not shoot on BLM, or you care nothing about your personal safety.

[Ford8N]

If I said that we spent a night in the hills surveying the land, I might expect that sort of commentary.

In layman's terms, we drive past the gate, stop, load our weapons, keep our eyes open, and maintain a moderate degree of vigilance while there. To avoid being perceived as a threat, we do not approach anyone, and expect that others maintain that same degree of respect, which seems to be the unspoken, universal etiquette among shooters on BLM.

If you think that is over the top, you either do not shoot on BLM, or you care nothing about your personal safety.

Agree. I've done work for the USFS, there is a lot of stuff that happens on public land that doesn't get publicized. Never ever go unarmed up in the hills. Always be aware of other vehicles and tracks. Listen too. Also be careful of people who say they are BLM or USFS, they might not be. Even if they have the vehicle!

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/02/13/2923233_forest-service-ranger-and-former.html?rh=1