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  • #61
    marksmandowntown
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 1403

    Originally posted by CAguy
    Yeah right! Only in your "patriotic rebel" wet dream. These fools are lucky they weren't gunned down. I imagine if a bunch of blacks/browns did the same it would have turned out and been viewed different. These folks sure did pick a stupid issue to make a stand for. If they are not careful they will end up like Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer.
    Are you kidding?

    I have to ask because your points are so far out of the bounds of reality that they could easily be taken as a joke.

    Originally posted by CAguy
    Yeah right! Only in your "patriotic rebel" wet dream. These fools are lucky they weren't gunned down. I imagine if a bunch of blacks/browns did the same it would have turned out and been viewed different.
    So you think that this is about race? Seriously? Liberals for some reason are stuck on the idea that mainstream people think the way that they do. Victimhood, entitlement and racism are very rarely what anything like this is about. No, it isn't about race for anybody except for a very silly and very loud minority of people who don't want to think things through and instead gravitate towards what is easy, simple and flashy. It's a lot easier to call everybody who disagrees with you racist than it is to explain why you are right and they are wrong.

    "Patriotic Rebel"? Is that like a racist southern thing, again? Keep spewing nonsense like this and anyone not from the bay area will not be able to take you seriously.

    Custer was working for the government, and got killed because he overplayed his position. I do think that your analogy applies to this situation, but for a different reason than the one you cite.

    Originally posted by CAguy

    If you're going to pick a issue to gather the citizenry this one surly isn't it. Anti American government redneck patriots screaming about their constitutional rights while not wanting to acknowledge the government.
    It seems to me that showing up with guns to oppose the government on some level equates acknowledgement of the existence of that government. Again, please think things through and don't just race to the quick and easy answer.

    Be glad and grateful that better men than you or me are willing to actually show up and put their asses on the line to protect our civil rights from the government.

    The Tea Party is the biggest grassroots movement in the history of our country, and could fairly be said to be anti-government in the sense that they want the government to get smaller and do less. For these reasons, I think that this is a valid issue to "gather the citizenry" as you say. In fact, it is the biggest and most valid issue for the reason mentioned. If you do not agree, please do reply to this with an explanation of your "why" if you can.

    Originally posted by CAguy
    Then people wonder why no one wants to vote for or be affiliated with neo-conservatives or Republicans and they keep, and will continue to, get crushed at the polls. You can try and mask it as patriotism but people can see right through the facade/schrade.
    The party that is in control of the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court and has spent far more time in control of all three branches of our government than the Democrats in the last 25 years is not out of touch as you imply. I understand that for you it's about racism and the presidency, but for most of the country, it is not. If it was, the Republicans would not be in control of the most powerful and important branch of the government. If "real" Americans really supported the silly, childish and destructive policies of Obama and the liberals, they would not have so decisively clipped his wings as soon as they could. There is a reason that Obama can't get anything done. It's because the voters elected a nice looking, educated black man who speaks well. They did not elect any of his policies. I ask you to keep this in mind as you spew your leftist nonsense and try to package it as somehow credible in spite of the fact that you can't explain your positions.

    You, like most of the people from the bay area are a hothouse flower. Your ideas do not grow naturally, they require an artificial environment to survive. That is why the rest of the country seems so stupid to you. They don't live in the tiny little echo chamber of the bay area.

    I would love to have a debate with you on racism if you can explain your ideas without assigning motives, asking rhetorical questions or calling names. If you can do this, you will be doing better than 95% of the leftists that I have communicated with. If you choose to accept my invitation to debate on racism, I will prove to you that the U.S. is not racist. When I am done you will agree with me if you are fair and actually weigh and think through my argument.

    You know where to find me if it's on, and I won't bring it up again is it isn't. If you do not care to debate I hope that you will think through what I have said rather than dismissing me as stupid because I don't come up with the "right" conclusion.
    Last edited by marksmandowntown; 04-23-2014, 2:16 PM.
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    • #62
      stix213
      AKA: Joe Censored
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Apr 2009
      • 18998

      I learned that for better or worse the good people standing up for liberty won, and the government lost.... I say it that way because the US government doesn't like to lose, and will try this again there or at another venue, and likely won't back down a second time. The good people will again come to aid, after coming off a victory like this who could blame them for feeling emboldened, and at some point, at some stand off, someone on either side will actually open fire......

      Blood bath ensues, and then **** actually starts getting real.

      Could lead to a call to arms among the pro-freedom types, and a large scale crackdown by the government in fear of losing control. Chance of actual civil war increases.

      Yes, I see the victory of the protesters at the Bundy ranch as the most significant step toward civil war in my lifetime, and not because of their actions specifically, because of the coming government (over)reaction.
      Last edited by stix213; 04-23-2014, 2:14 PM.

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      • #63
        stix213
        AKA: Joe Censored
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Apr 2009
        • 18998

        Originally posted by CAguy
        Yeah right! Only in your "patriotic rebel" wet dream. These fools are lucky they weren't gunned down. I imagine if a bunch of blacks/browns did the same it would have turned out and been viewed different. These folks sure did pick a stupid issue to make a stand for. If they are not careful they will end up like Lt. Col. George Armstrong Custer.

        If you're going to pick a issue to gather the citizenry this one surly isn't it. Anti American government redneck patriots screaming about their constitutional rights while not wanting to acknowledge the government.

        Then people wonder why no one wants to vote for or be affiliated with neo-conservatives or Republicans and they keep, and will continue to, get crushed at the polls. You can try and mask it as patriotism but people can see right through the facade/schrade.
        A long time ago I'm sure there were plenty of people who thought a minor tea import tax was a stupid issue to make a stand for as well....

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        • #64
          Mossbeard
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 49

          wrong question

          Originally posted by Burbur
          I learned to wear a mask.

          Every single participant was photographed and will be persecuted. .. err prosecuted for whatever trivial violation the .gov can find.
          If I were in the tin foil hat crowd I'd say the more interesting question is what did the other side learn?

          Provoking a situation in a remote region could be a great way to gather data:

          Identify any potential opposition (personnel and armament).
          ID support network (friends, family, money, etc).
          Track transportation & response times.

          "Militia," if things ever get ugly you'll have to play smarter. They have the tech, manpower, and machinery. You can't play the game on their field according to their rules.

          You have to be clever.

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          • #65
            Lead_Rain
            Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 93

            BLM pointing weapons at unarmed rancher and family = full of their selves bravado

            BLM pointing weapons at unarmed rancher and family + armed militia ready to defend them against paramilitary turtle herders = "Wait a minute Harry, can we talk about this some more?"

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            • #66
              sl0re10
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2013
              • 7242

              Originally posted by Mossbeard
              If I were in the tin foil hat crowd I'd say the more interesting question is what did the other side learn?

              Provoking a situation in a remote region could be a great way to gather data:

              Identify any potential opposition (personnel and armament).
              ID support network (friends, family, money, etc).
              Track transportation & response times.

              "Militia," if things ever get ugly you'll have to play smarter. They have the tech, manpower, and machinery. You can't play the game on their field according to their rules.

              You have to be clever.
              good point.

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              • #67
                colossians323
                Crusader for the truth!
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 21637

                Originally posted by CAguy
                Yeah right! Only in your "patriotic rebel" wet dream. These fools are lucky they weren't gunned down. I imagine if a bunch of blacks/browns did the same it would have turned out and been viewed different.
                Your racism precedes you
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                I dream about the day that the average would-be rapist is afraid to approach a woman who's walking alone at night. I dream of the day when two punks talk each other out of sticking up a liquor store because it's too damn risky.

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                • #68
                  toby
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 10576

                  I need some taller rubber boots.

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                  • #69
                    BigPimping
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 21443

                    On the Bundy ranch, I will take a hot tub party with Peg.
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                    • #70
                      marksmandowntown
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 1403

                      Originally posted by BigPimping
                      On the Bundy ranch, I will take a hot tub party with Peg.
                      <- Dibs on Kelly
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                      • #71
                        smle-man
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 10584

                        Originally posted by Mossbeard
                        If I were in the tin foil hat crowd I'd say the more interesting question is what did the other side learn?

                        Provoking a situation in a remote region could be a great way to gather data:

                        Identify any potential opposition (personnel and armament).
                        ID support network (friends, family, money, etc).
                        Track transportation & response times.

                        "Militia," if things ever get ugly you'll have to play smarter. They have the tech, manpower, and machinery. You can't play the game on their field according to their rules.

                        You have to be clever.
                        I'm guessing that license plates were recorded from those who showed up. They're now in a Federal database for the rest of their lives.

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                        • #72
                          boy&hisdogs
                          Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 399

                          Originally posted by smle-man
                          I'm guessing that license plates were recorded from those who showed up. They're now in a Federal database for the rest of their lives.
                          Who in their right minds would leave the plates on their cars? I wouldnt even take my truck to something like that for fear of it getting damaged lol. I've got an old dirtbike with a green sticker from 2005. Thats what I would drive. Its small, good on gas, and could outrun anything the blm has short of a helicopter. On sand at least.

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                          • #73
                            Untamed1972
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 17579

                            Originally posted by boy&hisdogs
                            Who in their right minds would leave the plates on their cars? I wouldnt even take my truck to something like that for fear of it getting damaged lol. I've got an old dirtbike with a green sticker from 2005. Thats what I would drive. Its small, good on gas, and could outrun anything the blm has short of a helicopter. On sand at least.
                            BLM does have Raptor trucks now too.....just saw one the other day.
                            "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

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                            • #74
                              Untamed1972
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 17579

                              Originally posted by CAguy
                              Then people wonder why no one wants to vote for or be affiliated with neo-conservatives or Republicans and they keep, and will continue to, get crushed at the polls. You can try and mask it as patriotism but people can see right through the facade/schrade.
                              At some point your vote.....regardless of what party you're voting for will cease to mean anything. It will be like Kim Jong having an election where only his name is on the ballot.

                              At some point.....just like the "patriot rebel colonists", knowing that 1/3 of their neighbors are against them, and 1/3 are sitting on the fence.....will decide they care.......that they CANT care....and will press on regardless of what they think.
                              "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

                              Quote for the day:
                              "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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                              • #75
                                boy&hisdogs
                                Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 399

                                Originally posted by Untamed1972
                                BLM does have Raptor trucks now too.....just saw one the other day.
                                Whelp that's it, I'm hosed. Haha good thing I dont plan on running from the police anytime soon. Can you imagine how awesome a police raptor would be though? I cant wait until these things start showing up at auctions.

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