Question on a failed background check **update post 136**

[sfbay]

You greedy douche bag...

you're okay to send a pissed felon to an innocent person's house?

WTF is wrong with you.

s

[nickel plate]

BFD!! That's just a CL "rule" not an actual LAW. So it's not like the OP needs to worry about LEOs showing up. Or does CL have it's own police force now?
As to the money, I say give the guy his money minus your expenses.

Steve,
Yes, it is a craigslist rule and not an actual law and yes the OP does need to worry about LEOs showing up. The OP's knowledge of the CL rules regarding no posting of ammunition, etc. spawned at least one felon to respond to his ad. Since the OP was willing to post outside of the rules on CL, the felons then think that you are willing to work/sell outside the CL rules.

[anthem]

I'd adhere to the same policy a store would. But then again, I'm a right decent sort of fellow. I wouldn't keep anyone's money.

[Artema]

Its not a question of being poor ,its a question of talking money for goods not delivered. He cost the op some time and trouble and the op should be compensated , but no more than any other deal gone sour.

To not return the money is just thievery no matter what justification you sell to yourself.

I don't get your reasoning. In my situation after 10 days there is no money. It is gone into bills (medical and debt). How does one suggest a poor person, who sold a gun, buy it back when there is no money?

[iron cannon]

Funny. The exchange was that the seller got the money and the buyer got the firearm, which was done. The only issue was that the buyer could not complete the transfer, which is not the fault of the seller. The buyer should have known about it.

The OP can get the firearm back, but does not have to go and pick it up. So are you saying that if the OP decided to not pick up the firearm that he could keep the money? If it is not picked up, then it has to go to the police.

So if the OP sold the firearm to pay the rent, then used the money to pay the rent, please explain why the OP would suddenly need to come up with the money.

The seller should try to sell the firearm and deduct any addition costs including time, along with the cost to get the firearm back, then return a fair amount back once the firearm sells.

The buyer never took possession.

Gun goes back to the seller.

No transaction took place.

Seller now has money and gun. ( not equitable)

[evidens83]

Congrats guys you have satisfied Grand Story Teller Travis of yet another one of his shenanigans Kind of funky that you would rather sell your so-called "guns" on CL than on CGN where you're such a highly regarded member..

[The Gleam]

I don't get your reasoning. In my situation after 10 days there is no money. It is gone into bills (medical and debt). How does one suggest a poor person, who sold a gun, buy it back when there is no money?

Pending that the story is even true, as I have my doubts....

The declined buyer would then have to be patient until you: 1) sell the gun to someone else to re-coup the funds you originally received, or 2) Until you re-coup the funds through other means; paycheck, selling something else, gambling winnings, turning tricks, whatever.

The refused/declined felonious buyer would then have to exude patience with YOU, but all intent should be made that you would return the declined buyer's money. This could have been a mistake of ignorance on the buyer's part not realizing the NICS/CA DOJ Background checks would cough him out like a phlegm-covered piece of corn.

[Artema]

Congrats guys you have satisfied Grand Story Teller Travis of yet another one of his shenanigans Kind of funky that you would rather sell your so-called "guns" on CL than on CGN where you're such a highly regarded member..

Half of the stories like this, if not more, seem doubtful. I use them as hypotheticals. What do you do when the plan fails? CL makes it seem fishy for sure.

[Artema]

The declined buyer would then have to be patient until you: 1) sell the gun to someone else to re-coup the funds you originally received, or 2) Until you re-coup the funds through other means; paycheck, selling something else, gambling winnings, turning tricks, whatever.

The refused/declined felonious buyer would then have to exude patience with YOU, but all intent should be made that you would return the declined buyer's money. This could have been a mistake of ignorance on the buyer's part not realizing the NICS/CA DOJ Background checks would cough him out like phlegm-covered piece of corn.

But the poor person is not in the market to buy a gun, thus has no obligation to spend money on it. When I did a trade a couple of months ago I wondered what would happen if the other guy failed his DROS. But then I realized that I received a receipt saying that the gun was no longer mine. A dealer's record of sale. At that point his legal issues are not my concern.

[diverwcw]

I think I'd keep $100 of it. I'd also be wary of a face to face contact. If you have his address, send him a money order.

[The Gleam]

But the poor person is not in the market to buy a gun, thus has no obligation to spend money on it. When I did a trade a couple of months ago I wondered what would happen if the other guy failed his DROS. But then I realized that I received a receipt saying that the gun was no longer mine. A dealer's record of sale. At that point his legal issues are not my concern.

But in your case, the DROS was successful; if not, it's still your gun unless you decline it to the store to handle to advise LEO, or LEO. The store can't simply re-sell it. It has not been taken out of your ownership, the "Private Party Transfer" is incomplete. The dealer has merely been the custodian of the sale until completed. You are not off of it squeeky-clean, olly-olly oxen-free.

[Artema]

But in your case, the DROS was successful; if not, it's still your gun unless you decline it to the store to handle to advise LEO, or LEO. The store can't simply re-sell it. It has not been taken out of your ownership, the "Private Party Transfer" is incomplete. The dealer has merely been the custodian of the sale until completed. You are not off of it squeeky-clean, olly-olly oxen-free.

How is that? Citation needed.

[Steve_In_29]

How is that? Citation needed.

Does this really need to be explained??

No matter what the paper the LGS gave you says, the transfer out of your name isn't complete until the buyer passes HIS DROS. That's why BY LAW the LGS HAS to return the pistol to YOU if the buyer gets rejected.

[Artema]

Does this really need to be explained??

No matter what the paper the LGS gave you says, the transfer out of your name isn't complete until the buyer passes HIS DROS. That's why BY LAW the LGS HAS to return the pistol to YOU if the buyer get rejected.

Citation requested then.

[Steve_In_29]

Citation requested then.

If you are that ignorant of the law then educate yourself via google. It's not my job to do the search for you.