Question on a failed background check **update post 136**

[Artema]

The fact that you are going out of your way to justify theft is disturbing.

It isn't theft. What if the person sold their guns and then moved out of the country. $80,000 worth of long guns to one guy, and he failed DROS. Seller cannot be contacted in his new location. Is he a thief? Is awareness of the buyer's personal problems going to change that even if the seller can be contacted?

[jonzer77]

It isn't theft. What if the person sold their guns and then moved out of the country. $80,000 worth of long guns to one guy, and he failed DROS. Seller cannot be contacted in his new location. Is he a thief? Is awareness of the buyer's personal problems going to change that even if the seller can be contacted?

You can make up all of the scenarios you want, it doesn't change the fact that the OP has the money and the gun so your scenario is somewhere out of left field. If the OP sold the gun and then was never contacted by the lgs and it was turned over to the PD then well the buyer is sol. The fact that the OP has both shows a low moral character but I shouldn't be surprised by these things anymore.

As for your reasons of being poor and spending the money and not having it.......I get that. In fact if I sold a gun it would probably be because I was hard up for money but that wouldn't excuse me from giving the money back once I finally ended up selling the gun.

[Artema]

I'm glad I can make up scenarios, because that is all this is for me. I'm trying to determine how you transfer a felon's personal problems to someone who did everything correctly. I've never known anyone to fail a DROS. It seems to me that the people who try to buy guns illegally should stick to buying guns with already shaved serial numbers, and not let themselves show up in the system anyway.

[iron cannon]

It all comes down to personal responsibility or lack there of.

[Artema]

It all comes down to personal responsibility or lack there of.

Agreed! And paying for a product it is illegal for you to obtain, and expecting other people to solve your problems. Sounds like a Democrat idea to me.

[jonzer77]

I'm glad I can make up scenarios, because that is all this is for me. I'm trying to determine how you transfer a felon's personal problems to someone who did everything correctly. I've never known anyone to fail a DROS. It seems to me that the people who try to buy guns illegally should stick to buying guns with already shaved serial numbers, and not let themselves show up in the system anyway.

I wonder why gun stores refund the denied buyer their money minus a fee when a buyer is denied a purchase. After all they did their part already

[Artema]

I wonder why gun stores refund the denied buyer their money minus a fee when a buyer is denied a purchase. After all they did their part already

Because they're a business. Does the DROS form have different designations for PPT and a new sale? Also is it illegal to answer the questions on the DROS form contrary to the truth?

[jonzer77]

Because they're a business. Does the DROS form have different designations for PPT and a new sale? Also is it illegal to answer the questions on the DROS form contrary to the truth?

And? It's the same scenario, they sell a gun and now they did their part and sold it. If the buyer can't pick it up because he is prohibited why do they need to return the money? Why is it any different? And more importantly, why did I get sucked into Travis's troll thread.

And yes, it is illegal to lie on a DROS form which Travis admitted to.

[iron cannon]

Agreed! And paying for a product it is illegal for you to obtain, and expecting other people to solve your problems. Sounds like a Democrat idea to me.

Personal responsibility only works when it focuses on what "I" do , not what others do.

[Artema]

Haha, just having fun at this point. My point is that bringing a private seller into your felonious activities is not a part of the deal. The fictional buyer committed a crime, and wants the seller to cover him.

[iron cannon]

Haha, just having fun at this point. My point is that bringing a private seller into your felonious activities is not a part of the deal. The fictional buyer committed a crime, and wants the seller to cover him.

yeh, its funny how these threads morph into this ****.
What I'd really like to do is give the guy( real or imagined) his money back and then split his head open with a hachett.

[Zedrek]

And? It's the same scenario, they sell a gun and now they did their part and sold it. If the buyer can't pick it up because he is prohibited why do they need to return the money? Why is it any different? And more importantly, why did I get sucked into Travis's troll thread.

And yes, it is illegal to lie on a DROS form which Travis admitted to.

He didn't lie on the DROS. He said that he moved AFTER he filled it out.

Who cares if the story is made up or not. Based on the information provided we can still give our opinions.

Some of you really need to working on reading comprehension. He didn't advertise for a firearm so therefore he didn't break Craigslist's rules. Craigslist leading to a felon attempting to buy his firearm is irrelevant because he went through an FFL as required and a background check was done and worked. Are you guys really that ignorant that you think a felon can't be on here and even have a high iTrader? Calguns doesn't screen for felons last time I checked.

The buyer is a felon who asked the OP to commit a felony. I have no sympathy for him. The OP tried to work out something with him but the buyer hung up on him. If he is unhappy with the circumstances then maybe he should call law enforcement.

[cannon]

I don't get your reasoning. In my situation after 10 days there is no money. It is gone into bills (medical and debt). How does one suggest a poor person, who sold a gun, buy it back when there is no money?

Well, you could resell the gun and give the original buyer that money since you already got paid.

Being poor is no excuse for theft.

[Artema]

Well, you could resell the gun and give the original buyer that money since you already got paid.

Being poor is no excuse for theft.

In order to take consignment, you would need a new business arrangement. If you were never informed the criminal failed his DROS would you still be a thief? How doesn't knowledge of your legal activities change your becoming a thief or not?

[Travis590A1]

Travis is a known troll and internet tough guy, why are you believing this loser?

Lol cuz you know me so well mr this is the first time ive ever seen you in one of my posts.

He didn't lie on the DROS. He said that he moved AFTER he filled it out.

Who cares if the story is made up or not. Based on the information provided we can still give our opinions.

Some of you really need to working on reading comprehension. He didn't advertise for a firearm so therefore he didn't break Craigslist's rules. Craigslist leading to a felon attempting to buy his firearm is irrelevant because he went through an FFL as required and a background check was done and worked. Are you guys really that ignorant that you think a felon can't be on here and even have a high iTrader? Calguns doesn't screen for felons last time I checked.

The buyer is a felon who asked the OP to commit a felony. I have no sympathy for him. The OP tried to work out something with him but the buyer hung up on him. If he is unhappy with the circumstances then maybe he should call law enforcement.

This.


Anywho, for an update. I talked to the LGS that did the transaction, no personal info was given out the buyer does not have any of my info other than my name and #. Second, I have since called the buyer 4 times, first 3 got no answer and the 4th a female answered and said he was no longer in the state and to "lose this ****ing number" so ya? What now?



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