Question on a failed background check **update post 136**

[Standard]

Why would you keep his money? He paid you for goods but didn't get the goods.
Granted, it's his fault, so it's fair to keep some money to cover your expenses and maybe a fee for your time, but send him a money order for the rest.
You still get your gun back either way.

[Cypriss32]

It's karma.... It will come around to bite u in the ***.

[2shotjoe]

Give him a full refund or commit a felony on you.

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[WinstonMonty]

I honestly cant believe some of the ops decision making. First selling guns on craigslist, then not confirming with the guy about previous felonies and possible scenarios about failing (I always make sure the guy knows before he hands me money that if he fails the check, I keep 20% as a fee for my time), and now he's going to keep all the money and doesnt care that this felon might have his previous address with innocent people potentially in danger at that address? Wow. Giving gun owners a bad name imo. Return the guys money. Its the decent thing to do, and will be the first correct decision you will have made in this entire scenario.

[kemasa]

For a CA PPT, if the buyer is denied, the firearm has to be returned to the seller asap and if the seller is denied or if the seller does not pick it up, then it has to be turned over to the police.

Also, the FFL is required to redact the seller's information from the DROS before giving a copy of a DROS to the buyer, the same is case for the buyer's information for the seller's copy.

You would have to fill out a 4473, but there is no waiting period and the background check number is the original DROS number.

In terms of returning the money, would you REALLY want to go and meet the person? That person committed an illegal act by trying to buy a firearm. If you return the money, it would be best to get a postal money order and mail it. The return address could be an issue since if you don't have one, then if there is a problem with the address, you won't know or get it back and even if you use a PO Box, the person could watch and wait until you show up. It is a bad situation.

[Gun_Smoke]

It sounds like a setup to me.

Honestly who sells a gun on CL? It was probably a law enforcement agency trolling for stupid/illegal gun owners trying to get rid of a gun.

They do the ppt knowing they will fail it, but they have two chances to nab you if you are up to no good.. Maybe you can't own a firearm and you try to sell one or they fail background and offer double to file it off you agree and now you just illegally sold a firearm.

[viet4lifeOC]

I honestly cant believe some of the ops decision making. First selling guns on craigslist, then not confirming with the guy about previous felonies and possible scenarios about failing (I always make sure the guy knows before he hands me money that if he fails the check, I keep 20% as a fee for my time), and now he's going to keep all the money and doesnt care that this felon might have his previous address with innocent people potentially in danger at that address? Wow. Giving gun owners a bad name imo. Return the guys money. Its the decent thing to do, and will be the first correct decision you will have made in this entire scenario.

This.

OP....your lack of moral reasoning shows in "my daughter is innocent" line of thought.

[russ69]

Your selling price already had the expense of starting the transaction included in it. The correct thing to do would be to refund his money less the expenses occurred in the return portion of the transaction. So 500 bucks less 50 cents a mile round trip and perhaps a small amount for your time.

[Zedrek]

Why are you guys tripping on him selling it on Craigslist? How is that any different than posting an ad on here or Facebook? He went to an FFL to do the transfer. I bought a C&R off of someone on a Facebook site. It's perfectly legal. I can approach someone on the street corner and sell them a gun and it's fine as long as it's done through an FFL.

As far as the guy getting his money back: screw him! He tried to buy a gun as a felon and then asked the OP to commit a felony by altering the serial number and giving it to him. I wouldn't make contact with him again and would probably call the police and let them know what he was asking you to do. It's not your fault the guy was an idiot. The PPTs that I have done I never got the other party's address.

[nickel plate]

Why are you guys tripping on him selling it on Craigslist? How is that any different than posting an ad on here or Facebook? He went to an FFL to do the transfer. I bought a C&R off of someone on a Facebook site. It's perfectly legal. I can approach someone on the street corner and sell them a gun and it's fine as long as it's done through an FFL.

As far as the guy getting his money back: screw him! He tried to buy a gun as a felon and then asked the OP to commit a felony by altering the serial number and giving it to him. I wouldn't make contact with him again and would probably call the police and let them know what he was asking you to do. It's not your fault the guy was an idiot. The PPTs that I have done I never got the other party's address.

A: BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THE CRAIGLIST'S RULES.
B: The OP knew it. You can't post a classified ad past the NO FIREARMS FOR SALE statement without first reading that statement.

[teg33]

A: BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THE CRAIGLIST'S RULES.
B: The OP knew it. You can't post a classified ad past the NO FIREARMS FOR SALE statement without first reading that statement.

So what against craiglist rule. Craiglist rule/policy is NOT the LAW.

[Zedrek]

A: BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THE CRAIGLIST'S RULES.
B: The OP knew it. You can't post a classified ad past the NO FIREARMS FOR SALE statement without first reading that statement.

Driving 72 MPH in a 70 MPH zone is against the law but how many times have you done it?

They also say that you can't sell household animals such as dogs or cats but people still do. A "re-homing" fee is about as stupid as giving 50 "roses" for a good time in the casual encounters area.

[joefrank64k]

Of course you refund him the money...take some out for your time/trouble. Yikes, what happened to doing the right thing simply because it's the right thing to do?

[elsolo]

I can't believe how many people here suggest what is essentially stealing the guys money just because he physically can.

CA if full of douchebags

[Bill Carson]

So instead of trying to sell it here or on another gunsite or sell to a LGS or have a LGS sell it for you on consignment you went to Craigslist?